Originally Posted by Dead-Air

A lot of what's considered "noise music" is along the lines of Musique Concrete in techniques though.

I'm pretty sure that if Pierre Schaeffer were to release his first album today, it would be received as a "noise" record. Not "harsh noise" but noise nonetheless.

A lot of people who make music that gets called noise make stuff that I find more to be electronic experimental music, and actually a bunch of what I've heard from Wolf Eyes fits that too. My friend Todd/Soup Purse here in Portland has flat out told me in a radio interview that he calls his music noise rather than experimental because the audience for the latter is 5 people in a small theater on a Wednesday night, while the audience for the former is 50+ people partying down in somebody's house.

So maybe your answer to what "good noise" is for you, would be stuff with interesting tape-splicing and Musique Concrete influences. Or maybe just with discernable sounds within the noise.

My comparison to my "new wave" hating friend really isn't that far off either (though I know you never said you hate noise). Nonetheless, she could very carefully explain why each of those artists she liked weren't "new wave", and in fact each of them did receive play on the AOR/Classic Rock stations. My point was merely that a lot of the best music in any genre can easily be perceived as actually outside the genre because of it's uniqueness that moves it away from the cliches we define the form by.