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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
the reason the taliban has resurged is because they offered the closest thing to law and order in a wild place.
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as hard as it is for folks to swallow, isn't it possible that many people in Afghanistan and Pakistan
support the Taliban, just as the south Vietnamese supported the Vietminh?
(in other words, is America fighting a war against an organization which has popular support, and therefore is America fighting the will of the people to serve its own interests?)
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Originally Posted by tesla69
if EVERYONE was doing it, it would work!
If there is one place where proactive Western military action is warranted it is in Afghanistan/Pakistan. The Taliban are about as opposite to what I believe how life should be as possible.
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Bush gave a speech which said, "The terrorists seek to impose their views.."
But if afghanis and pakistanis support openly and directly the taliban and elements of al queda, then is not America imposing
its views on afghanistan and with overwhelming military force at that? Are we not the terrorists in this specific situation?
its as !@#$%! pointed out,
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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
the reason the taliban has resurged is because they offered the closest thing to law and order in a wild place.
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While you dont personally agree with the taliban, many people do. Sure, it sound ridiculous, but that is the point of the world, diversity. I'm sure you might not agree with the Pope, but there are nearly a BILLION roman catholics.. I myself don't support the president or the american system, but there are MILLIONS and MILLIONS who believe in the american dream..
The reality is that not everyone wants to live a life like we have in the western world..
war is ugly.
In the so-called "tribal areas" millions of people in fact support the taliban as their grass roots government, just as many in Chiapas support the EZLN, or many in south Vietnam supported the Vietminh...
in America we often have this smug overconfidence that what we think is right, and that our experience has provided all the answers, but this is not a universal cookie-cutter solution..
the world is the world, and people have different views. diversity should be cherished, not bombed to shit.
The reality in Afghanistan and Pakistan is that eventually and without a shadow of doubt, the taliban will be recognized as a legitimate regional/local government, and that is the ONLY way this war will ever end, that or a fucking holocaust of the approx 45 million people who are the support-base of the so-called insurgency..
make love and not war..
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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
the war in aghanistan was the orignal one, which got sidetracked becauyse afghanistan does not have enough petroleum, so instead bush made BILLIONS every quarter for his oil company fat cat buddies (exxon alone made record profits of 14 BILLION every three months) by attacking Iraq, an extremely oil rich country.
afghanistan was left to swelter and fester. It is time we focused on finishing there, and capturing bin laden no matter whether the saudi arabian royal family gets in a tizzy about it. fuck them.
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what about all the heroin and opium, which predominantly goes to the United States for consumption? You know heroin is how we ended up in Vietnam to begin with, and it is no coincidence that we find ourselves entrenched in another massive heroin producing country fighting an open war...
have y'all seen whats been happening in Mexico since last year? With US assistance, the so-called narco war has killed nearly 10,000 people! Mexico accounts for approx 10% of the world production of heroin as well...
anyone else see the pattern?
Its never been about fucking Osama Bin Laden, that nigga doesn't even exist, he is a fucking CIA ghost, used to pump up fear in Americans... the fucking
cucuy!
