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Originally Posted by knox

fixed. well, if that's good enough for some people, then it is, fair enough.

personally, i am not turned on by merely looks. i think most women would agree on that, and once again i think men are conditioned to be visual creatures - it was always ok for them to do so. gender conditioning again.

but sexuality is way more complex than that. Waaaay more complex than than that.

see, this is exactly where i think you're misguided in what you say is the reach of culture. you claim that men are "conditioned to look". no. i think something like 40 or 60% of the nerves going into the brain come from the eye. the eyes are in fact part of the central nervous system.

men may be conditioned to act macho or to treat women like shit or to treat them nicely, depending on where you live, but the physiological response of the eye and brains is too fucking quick to be "taught".

now, a man can be conditioned to stare discreetly, or to gawk, or to grab and run, or to feel guilty for staring, but the eye roves madly-- it's how we made it out of the caves.

there's a really cool documentary on the human face with john cleese and liz hurley. it's very funny and fucking brilliant. check it out.