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Originally Posted by wellcharge
hipster rap opinion timelime:
1980-2001: rap is garbage,it isn't even music they just use loops from other peoples records and all they do is talk
2001-2007: i only like underground, the mainstream is so generic and the lyrics are materialistic and offensive to women, i like rappers who have their own sound and talk about something important,like atmosphere,mf doom and aesop rock
2008-????: i hate that underground backpacker shit, it's so pretentious and only appeals to hipsters. i like rappers like lil' wayne and gucci mane, they got so much swagger and such wordplay, they rhyme about unpretentious subjects like strippers and cars, i walked through a lower income neighbourhood recently and nobody bothered me because i'm clearly in touch with da streetz
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What point are you trying to make here?
Because I want to argue with you but I'm not sure what you're saying.
My main source of confusion is that you use the word hipster in conjunction with a time period that the word hipster didn't mean what it does now, which would lead me to believe that you are using the term to encompass all underground/alternative/independent music enthusiasts, or if you're using the term to characterize people who pride themselves on being ironic.
Whatever the case, there were alternative people who embraced rap far before 2001. Guy Picciotto of Fugazi used to cover White Lines by GMF when he was in Happy Go Licky in 1986. Also, the Beastie Boys started out as a punk band. And Blondie did that song Rapture.
In regards to the 2nd and 3rd opinions:
1. Not all mainstream rap is culturally destructive, just most of it.
2. Shallow does not equal unpretentious