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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
to claim that the USA was all bad from the beginning is to paint with a very very wide brush. Of course there were and are issues. nothing is perfect and the USA is a work in progress, and the founders knew this, which is why there were methods for alteringa nd correcting the constituion built right into it.
Most of the genocidal killing of native peoples happened as a result of the SPANISH, blame the catholics for that shit man.
as far as the slave trade, com-plicit in the slave trade were the hundreds if not thousands of tribal leaders in africa who captured their enemies and sold them to white sailors. slavery in africa was a long-practiced state for millenia before the USA came around. It still exisst in many parts of the motherland, outright slavery.
Remember, the hebrews were as a whole race, enslaved by the egyptians, in africa.
The USA is a country that promotes relatively rapid change within itself, compared to other nations before it. Thank mario for the French dupe-king who aided the american revolutionaries.
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that is not true.. The British were as genocidal and horrifying in their treatment of Indians as the Spanish, in fact worse! The spanish eventually mellowed out and settled for assimilation, the Brits well they never stopped fighting, and we as Americans inherited their fight, well into the 1890s my brother! Jesus that is a long time to be killing innocent people in cold blood, from the Pequot Wars in the early 1600s to the turn of the 20th century! I say that is not painting with a wide brush.. I'd say that is just plain bad history and bad blood for america.
and slavery, blaiming the victim is a cop-out.. Of course Africans were selling their own brothers to the slave trade, but who were they selling them too? Who built up such an inhuman demand for labor? And you should know that in African the institution of slavery was far less brutal and dehumanizing as it was in the Americas, slaves in Africa were considered part of the family/household and even achieved status and power, where as in the Americas, a nigger is nigger slave or free.
Again, this is not an attack on you Rob, I really like you, but I must stand firm against your position. America was doomed from the very beginning, and the Constitution only makes it worse, because how could you say some bullshit like "All men are created equal" and forget to add the asterisk * (africans and indians not included as men)
The US Constitution is the biggest crock of shit I ever read, especially because it was, is and will never be implemented, it is strictly rhetorical.