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Originally Posted by Glice

You know this is a weak argument.



Really though? It's her weakest period, musically. If we're talking the Hit me... to Oops... period. There's a couple of great singles, but as albums they are lame as a disabled duck. I suppose you have point that, as whole albums, there's not a great deal of interest on a musical level, but why is it that people turn to sex to discuss that lameness rather than say the music's not very good? Are the Mars Volta bad because they're ugly, or bad because it's terrible music? I fucking hate their haircuts, but no-one's interested in me saying that. I know what the marketing of Britney says about Britney and culture, but the marketing is so transparent that it hardly bears commenting on. Except, time and again, that is all that is commented on.



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I saw that video and I thought 'there's some children having a good time'. When Beyonce does it, my libido does say 'yes please'. When children do it, nothing of the sort. Those children aren't 'sexualized' - they probably have no idea why people get upset about it. My nieces do a lot of dances, and it's an art-form. Ok, it's an art-form that comes from adult sexual practises, but the children themselves have absolutely no idea about that. I think anyone who feels iffy about watching children dancing needs to ask themselves what that says about their own libido, rather than claim the children themselves are sexualised. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that pre-sexual children who find something interesting in a dance that adults perceive as 'sexy' shows precisely that that dance is not exclusively about sex. Of course, we have Freud to counter that, but in essence it's a misunderstanding of him (and people like Klein) to suggest that the (de facto) sexuality of children is anything like of the same order, articulation or direction as adult sexuality. I'm trying not to put words in your mouth - I don't think you think this - but there's something very sinister about precisely this mis-articulation of child sexuality.

ok i'm only answering this while the tea brew so i'll hurry

of course the kids had no clue what they were doing and there was nothing sexual about it, because they didn't have the sexuality to project while shaking their cunts-- however, what stupid fucker makes children shake their cunts for an audience? it's like little miss sunshine where the girl does her talent dance unaware that grampa taught her how to be a stripper. anyway, if i had a daughter and someone tried to taught her how to shake her cunt at age 7, i would kick their ass.

but i didn't bring that up to discuss that particular children's dance. if you wanna read somebody else's opinions (not mine) see this: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...051404324.html

i brought up that video just to build up my case that the beyonce video is loaded with sex. this because i remembered this discussion about "tits and ass" spawning from the beyonce video some months ago. i don't appreciate her music but i do appreciate her sexy cunt-thumping (sorry if this is blunt) and spectacular figure and contortions. call me a swine, but that's what the video is *really* about, though it's artistically camouflaged. and people who make a career out of that are open to have their tits and ass discussed.

anyway, my tea is ready and i can't answer the rest until i get some work done. aghhhhhhhhhhh.

but this is fun.