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!@#$%! · 06.02.2010, 05:10 PM

for knoxter (i'm skipping over the cockfest above):

my post was addressing the complaint that was articulated by porky and glice (not sure in the same vein, but anyway) that people tend to post too much tit and ass in this board and this turns off/offends people as it is seen as objectification of their gender.

my response however was not aimed at social activity and real people-- it was aimed at pictures posted on the internet. the pictures that we post here are usually those of media personalities / porn people who make a business of marketing their genitals for a buck. and we're dealing with pictures-- not real persons.

as a 3rd world person, i grew up consorting with whores since age 15, because "good girls" didn't put out until they were in the university. i was horny, there was an avenue for it, so it was a good 3 years until i finally could have sex with a girl i loved, and then i never looked back. i'll tell you this, however-- i never "objectified" the whores-- they were people, some very nice, we got along well most of the time, we'd fuck and chat and have a nice little personal connection until someone would knock the door (always too soon).

now, is prostitution wrong? i believe that depends on their working conditions. but regardless of their business- did i treat those women as a piece of meat to be discarded? no i didn't-- i treated them respectfully and affectionately and with immense gratitude-- they were helping me get my rocks off, they gave me something voluntarily for which they got something in return, and i was ready to build them a little altar in my home. i have some fond memories of them and i hope they are doing well. but they were people, real people, not objects.

however, it is easy to objectify/reify/dehumanize PICTURES of people who WILLINGLY SELL THESE IMAGES as objects of desire-- and i'd venture that most of those people enjoy that as a sort of power they hold over their audience. it's a mutually agreed-upon transaction and the object itself is the currency being trafficked. they are not selling their "souls", just pictures of their bodies.

take for example bai-ling. she's a terrible actress but she's hot. here's a picture of her:

while i'm sure that's airbrushed, i believe it to be a genuine picture, because i do recognize her nipples. she purposefully slips them out often:

is it wrong to see her as a non-person bearer of nipples? i'm not having a cup of coffee with her and hearing about her childhood dreams. she hasn't told me what's her favorite color or what books have changed her life and how she feels about the oil spill in the gulf-- she presents herself as tits and ass. it's her business, and people spend a ton of money to consume visions of said tits and ass. she makes money for it.

while having sexual desire for a real person does not entail turning them into a thing, a thing (picture) meant to arouse sexual desire is already an object, not a person, and it's fair game for treating it like an object. there's a huge difference between real people and pictures of people, at least for me.

anyway, on that same line of thought-- let's assume i get to meet bai-ling in person, and we have a nice dinner and talk about stuff and we hit it off she invites me to her bedroom (hey, we can all fantasize), she would then cease to be an object (picture) and turn into a real person by virtue of our interaction.

what we post here are not the souls and stories of real people. they are just pictures. the dehumanization occurred at the moment the photo was taken, not when some horny person decided to post it here.

now, some people will find those pictures offensive, but that's another story. i just wanted to clarify that we're not posting "real women" here, we're posting pictures of tits and ass that were created expressly for the purpose of elliciting desire-- from the "classy":

to the grotesque:

(just reached my picture limit but you can find it here)
http://www.juggworld.com/images/categories/bigtits.jpg

blame the patriarchy if you will for such kind of commerce, but remember that "the patriarchy" is not men alone. women participate equally in it.

06.02.2010, 05:10 PM	#227
!@#$%! invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: mars attacks Posts: 42,731	for knoxter (i'm skipping over the cockfest above): my post was addressing the complaint that was articulated by porky and glice (not sure in the same vein, but anyway) that people tend to post too much tit and ass in this board and this turns off/offends people as it is seen as objectification of their gender. my response however was not aimed at social activity and real people-- it was aimed at pictures posted on the internet. the pictures that we post here are usually those of media personalities / porn people who make a business of marketing their genitals for a buck. and we're dealing with pictures-- not real persons. as a 3rd world person, i grew up consorting with whores since age 15, because "good girls" didn't put out until they were in the university. i was horny, there was an avenue for it, so it was a good 3 years until i finally could have sex with a girl i loved, and then i never looked back. i'll tell you this, however-- i never "objectified" the whores-- they were people, some very nice, we got along well most of the time, we'd fuck and chat and have a nice little personal connection until someone would knock the door (always too soon). now, is prostitution wrong? i believe that depends on their working conditions. but regardless of their business- did i treat those women as a piece of meat to be discarded? no i didn't-- i treated them respectfully and affectionately and with immense gratitude-- they were helping me get my rocks off, they gave me something voluntarily for which they got something in return, and i was ready to build them a little altar in my home. i have some fond memories of them and i hope they are doing well. but they were people, real people, not objects. however, it is easy to objectify/reify/dehumanize PICTURES of people who WILLINGLY SELL THESE IMAGES as objects of desire-- and i'd venture that most of those people enjoy that as a sort of power they hold over their audience. it's a mutually agreed-upon transaction and the object itself is the currency being trafficked. they are not selling their "souls", just pictures of their bodies. take for example bai-ling. she's a terrible actress but she's hot. here's a picture of her: while i'm sure that's airbrushed, i believe it to be a genuine picture, because i do recognize her nipples. she purposefully slips them out often: is it wrong to see her as a non-person bearer of nipples? i'm not having a cup of coffee with her and hearing about her childhood dreams. she hasn't told me what's her favorite color or what books have changed her life and how she feels about the oil spill in the gulf-- she presents herself as tits and ass. it's her business, and people spend a ton of money to consume visions of said tits and ass. she makes money for it. while having sexual desire for a real person does not entail turning them into a thing, a thing (picture) meant to arouse sexual desire is already an object, not a person, and it's fair game for treating it like an object. there's a huge difference between real people and pictures of people, at least for me. anyway, on that same line of thought-- let's assume i get to meet bai-ling in person, and we have a nice dinner and talk about stuff and we hit it off she invites me to her bedroom (hey, we can all fantasize), she would then cease to be an object (picture) and turn into a real person by virtue of our interaction. what we post here are not the souls and stories of real people. they are just pictures. the dehumanization occurred at the moment the photo was taken, not when some horny person decided to post it here. now, some people will find those pictures offensive, but that's another story. i just wanted to clarify that we're not posting "real women" here, we're posting pictures of tits and ass that were created expressly for the purpose of elliciting desire-- from the "classy": to the grotesque: (just reached my picture limit but you can find it here) http://www.juggworld.com/images/categories/bigtits.jpg blame the patriarchy if you will for such kind of commerce, but remember that "the patriarchy" is not men alone. women participate equally in it.
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