question for the older forumites about the fucking champs

Rob Instigator · 04.20.2007, 11:53 AM

Is it just me or does the guitar tone of every single Fucking Champs song just amke you want to rip your ears out and barf in disgust? It all sounds like early dokken, or like LA GUNS or like countless fucking metal bands. I HATE that guitar tone. I fucking HATE IT so bad. I grew up enamored of the metal between 80-88 and I just cannot stand to listen to that guitar tone ever again. it literally drives me up the fucking wall. is it just me?

the reason I ask the older boardies is that if you are too young to ahve intiially grown up with that guitar riff tone and grown to HATE IT then the fucking champs may sound allright to ya.

Listen to the first half minute of this song off their new album and let me know what you think.
http://www.dragcity.com/mp3/dc333fcsb.mp3

terminal pharmacy · 04.20.2007, 11:56 AM

the first half a minute is far too much for me, yes it is cheesey as a roquefort and the drum sound sucks balls too, unfortunately i can't unlisten to it

Rob Instigator · 04.20.2007, 11:59 AM

every record of theirs is the same sounds, and it drives me crazy that they are called "indie rock stalwarts" by doofuses at pitchfork. the champs are straight up METAL.

SonicSam · 04.20.2007, 12:00 PM

I'm not old, but I too get well pissed off with the fucking champs guitar tone, sounds like hair metal or something!

Rob Instigator · 04.20.2007, 12:07 PM

so i wonder what exactly is "indie" about them besides their record label? I guess nothing, considering "indie" does not really mean anything BUT being on an indipendent label. Oh well.

terminal pharmacy · 04.20.2007, 12:14 PM

indie lost all meaning when major comps started buying little labels and kept calling them indy, and this band is just cheesorama, and pitchfork is a piece of shit anyway, i don;t know why people even bother reading the shit on there

Rob Instigator · 04.20.2007, 12:17 PM

they have the latest news. 90% of the bands they talk about do not interest me but I am glad that they do talk abot the 10% that do.
just a quick glance every day. find out who is on tour, one stop shopping you know.

nick2767 · 04.20.2007, 12:57 PM

Oh God. Just about managed 20 seconds. That was truly horrible.

When I first came across them about 7 years ago I thought what a brilliant name. I got a copy of IV and regreted it as soon as the noodly, naff guitar sounded kicked in. Too metally for my sensitive ears.

Awful, awful awful.

atsonicpark · 04.20.2007, 01:01 PM

they're great!

Savage Clone · 04.20.2007, 01:46 PM

Yes, Rob.
Harmonized Guitar Center techiness disguised as hip irony.
Super annoying.

Jt · 04.20.2007, 01:51 PM

I hate this renaissance shit - if I want to hear hair metal, I'll turn to Sebastian Bach and his late eighties brethren. As it happens I'm a really big fan of thrash metal, but modern interpretations are just... urgh. It's like the whole no wave/post-no wave revival - no thanks. An inferior copy.

!@#$%! · 04.20.2007, 03:06 PM

oh thats funny, so funny

it's like metal but a bit slow. yeah i know that tone you're talking about!

im not annoyed though, just slightly amused.

it isn't so bad... i guess i've never listened to too much metal that i got sick of it.

this doesnt have satan lyrics though, right? no doomsday? no knights of darkness & shit?\

what about wagging tongues?

Rob Instigator · 04.20.2007, 05:04 PM

it would be better if it had satan lyrics! Not much, but at least we'd know they were tongue in cheek!

Everyneurotic · 04.20.2007, 05:44 PM

heard the new rtx yet?

chances are you guys are going to be really pissed about it too. i love it though.

PAULYBEE2656 · 04.21.2007, 04:26 AM

they suck balls alright. i have a couple of albums and te fucking am album too. thats not too bad. brutal band...

DJ Rick · 04.21.2007, 05:09 PM

Way to write of an entire album based on 20-30 seconds everyone!

I'm a selective fan of moments of Fucking Champs records, but mainly the first two albums. I can definitely understand why people would not like them.

Fucking Champs is a celebration of chops deployed in the 70's by a lot of justifiable and even righteous bands from the arc of proto-metal through heavy prog to NWOBHM I and II, and some of it is pretty great, but a lot of it is too self-indulgently over-the-top tech and virtually devoid of human feeling. Just two guitars, both amped stereo on both sides of the drummer so as to never require monitors...the whole set-up was spec-for-spec the same as the Bell/Gorham-era Thin Lizzy. Vintage synths and electronic drums added for some tracks. All three dudes have extreme dexterity and cleverness, but you know how that kinda skill level gets to be sometimes.

"III" and "IV"--the 1st and 2nd albums--each had a song or two with vocals which were rather awesome. A split 7" had a catchy song that sounded like a 70's retro soundtrack hit. Some of the interstitial moments between titan rockers had a wispy new-age, almost Vangelis feel. Even that has its appealing moments.

But by the time "V" had rolled around, I was tired of 'em.

The thing that may have changed my mind about 'em was that I saw them live, and I was surrounded by a buncha ultrafan-nerds who were airdrumming and airguitarring and generally trying to do everything possible to prove that they knew the entire Fucking Champs catalog riff-for-riff and note-for-note. There were even some blowhards there pretending to conduct the band members like a symphony orchestra. One of them appeared to have a coffee stirrer that he had saved from his last latté sesh. What an idiot!

Anyway, yeah...the band were perfect that night in execution, and it was about as interesting to watch as a Locust show, minus the funny heckles....which is to say: B-O-R-I-N-G!

The guitarists just played while watching their fingers do the flawless fretwork all night, and there were two encores. The only thing decent about it was standing in front of the subwoofer and feeling the drums in the sternum. Had I been anywhere else, I'd be thinking, "Okay, this is more fun to listen to in the car when I'm driving fast."

Rob Instigator · 04.21.2007, 10:28 PM

iguitar tone.

Onani Nic · 04.21.2007, 11:10 PM

I've got Greatest Hits. I really like some of the songs especially Extra Man but I don't think I'd pick up any more of their albums.

04.20.2007, 11:53 AM	#1
Rob Instigator invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the land of the Instigator Posts: 27,976	Is it just me or does the guitar tone of every single Fucking Champs song just amke you want to rip your ears out and barf in disgust? It all sounds like early dokken, or like LA GUNS or like countless fucking metal bands. I HATE that guitar tone. I fucking HATE IT so bad. I grew up enamored of the metal between 80-88 and I just cannot stand to listen to that guitar tone ever again. it literally drives me up the fucking wall. is it just me? the reason I ask the older boardies is that if you are too young to ahve intiially grown up with that guitar riff tone and grown to HATE IT then the fucking champs may sound allright to ya. Listen to the first half minute of this song off their new album and let me know what you think. http://www.dragcity.com/mp3/dc333fcsb.mp3 __________________ RXTT's Intellectual Journey - my new blog where I talk about all the books I read.
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04.20.2007, 11:56 AM	#2
terminal pharmacy invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Australia Posts: 3,358	the first half a minute is far too much for me, yes it is cheesey as a roquefort and the drum sound sucks balls too, unfortunately i can't unlisten to it
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04.20.2007, 11:59 AM	#3
Rob Instigator invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the land of the Instigator Posts: 27,976	every record of theirs is the same sounds, and it drives me crazy that they are called "indie rock stalwarts" by doofuses at pitchfork. the champs are straight up METAL. __________________ RXTT's Intellectual Journey - my new blog where I talk about all the books I read.
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04.20.2007, 12:00 PM	#4
SonicSam children of satan Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: UK Posts: 269	I'm not old, but I too get well pissed off with the fucking champs guitar tone, sounds like hair metal or something! __________________
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04.20.2007, 12:07 PM	#5
Rob Instigator invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the land of the Instigator Posts: 27,976	so i wonder what exactly is "indie" about them besides their record label? I guess nothing, considering "indie" does not really mean anything BUT being on an indipendent label. Oh well. __________________ RXTT's Intellectual Journey - my new blog where I talk about all the books I read.
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04.20.2007, 12:14 PM	#6
terminal pharmacy invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Australia Posts: 3,358	indie lost all meaning when major comps started buying little labels and kept calling them indy, and this band is just cheesorama, and pitchfork is a piece of shit anyway, i don;t know why people even bother reading the shit on there
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04.20.2007, 12:17 PM	#7
Rob Instigator invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the land of the Instigator Posts: 27,976	they have the latest news. 90% of the bands they talk about do not interest me but I am glad that they do talk abot the 10% that do. just a quick glance every day. find out who is on tour, one stop shopping you know. __________________ RXTT's Intellectual Journey - my new blog where I talk about all the books I read.
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04.20.2007, 12:57 PM	#8
nick2767 bad moon rising Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 125	Oh God. Just about managed 20 seconds. That was truly horrible. When I first came across them about 7 years ago I thought what a brilliant name. I got a copy of IV and regreted it as soon as the noodly, naff guitar sounded kicked in. Too metally for my sensitive ears. Awful, awful awful.
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04.20.2007, 01:01 PM	#9
atsonicpark invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 28,843	they're great! __________________
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04.20.2007, 01:46 PM	#10
Savage Clone invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 11,290	Yes, Rob. Harmonized Guitar Center techiness disguised as hip irony. Super annoying.
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04.20.2007, 01:51 PM	#11
Jt children of satan Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 345	I hate this renaissance shit - if I want to hear hair metal, I'll turn to Sebastian Bach and his late eighties brethren. As it happens I'm a really big fan of thrash metal, but modern interpretations are just... urgh. It's like the whole no wave/post-no wave revival - no thanks. An inferior copy. __________________ Album of the Week: Pylon Gyrate 1980
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04.20.2007, 03:06 PM	#12
!@#$%! invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: mars attacks Posts: 42,584	oh thats funny, so funny it's like metal but a bit slow. yeah i know that tone you're talking about! im not annoyed though, just slightly amused. it isn't so bad... i guess i've never listened to too much metal that i got sick of it. this doesnt have satan lyrics though, right? no doomsday? no knights of darkness & shit?\ what about wagging tongues?
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04.20.2007, 05:04 PM	#13
Rob Instigator invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the land of the Instigator Posts: 27,976	it would be better if it had satan lyrics! Not much, but at least we'd know they were tongue in cheek! __________________ RXTT's Intellectual Journey - my new blog where I talk about all the books I read.
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04.21.2007, 04:26 AM	#15
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04.21.2007, 05:09 PM	#16
DJ Rick 100% Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Sacto (CA) Institute for Record Collection Scrutiny Posts: 817	Way to write of an entire album based on 20-30 seconds everyone! I'm a selective fan of moments of Fucking Champs records, but mainly the first two albums. I can definitely understand why people would not like them. Fucking Champs is a celebration of chops deployed in the 70's by a lot of justifiable and even righteous bands from the arc of proto-metal through heavy prog to NWOBHM I and II, and some of it is pretty great, but a lot of it is too self-indulgently over-the-top tech and virtually devoid of human feeling. Just two guitars, both amped stereo on both sides of the drummer so as to never require monitors...the whole set-up was spec-for-spec the same as the Bell/Gorham-era Thin Lizzy. Vintage synths and electronic drums added for some tracks. All three dudes have extreme dexterity and cleverness, but you know how that kinda skill level gets to be sometimes. "III" and "IV"--the 1st and 2nd albums--each had a song or two with vocals which were rather awesome. A split 7" had a catchy song that sounded like a 70's retro soundtrack hit. Some of the interstitial moments between titan rockers had a wispy new-age, almost Vangelis feel. Even that has its appealing moments. But by the time "V" had rolled around, I was tired of 'em. The thing that may have changed my mind about 'em was that I saw them live, and I was surrounded by a buncha ultrafan-nerds who were airdrumming and airguitarring and generally trying to do everything possible to prove that they knew the entire Fucking Champs catalog riff-for-riff and note-for-note. There were even some blowhards there pretending to conduct the band members like a symphony orchestra. One of them appeared to have a coffee stirrer that he had saved from his last latté sesh. What an idiot! Anyway, yeah...the band were perfect that night in execution, and it was about as interesting to watch as a Locust show, minus the funny heckles....which is to say: B-O-R-I-N-G! The guitarists just played while watching their fingers do the flawless fretwork all night, and there were two encores. The only thing decent about it was standing in front of the subwoofer and feeling the drums in the sternum. Had I been anywhere else, I'd be thinking, "Okay, this is more fun to listen to in the car when I'm driving fast." __________________ http://artforspastics.blogspot.com/
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04.21.2007, 10:28 PM	#17
Rob Instigator invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the land of the Instigator Posts: 27,976	iguitar tone. __________________ RXTT's Intellectual Journey - my new blog where I talk about all the books I read.
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04.21.2007, 11:10 PM	#18
Onani Nic the end of the ugly Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 930	I've got Greatest Hits. I really like some of the songs especially Extra Man but I don't think I'd pick up any more of their albums. __________________ I don't give a fuck thats the problem. I see a motherfuckin cop i don't dodge them.
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