[pbradley]

Originally Posted by Norma J

Those two statements contradict eachother.

Not exactly. One is the act of improving and the other is accomplishing the matter. It's a principle of most religions that people are never perfect. The self-satisfied have come to terms with their imperfections to where they feel they no longer need to improve. Those don't need religion and spoil it if they are (generally ending up like as described in Sonicl's post).

I, however, am self-satisfied in my spiritual/moral/whatever concerns (not smug but having no emptiness or inner conflict) so I don't feel the need to be of a religion.

[Cardinal Rob]

I'm a Pantheist.

[pbradley]

Whenever I think about pantheism I remember all the times I took a piss on a street corner.

I was pissing on God!

[Glice]

Originally Posted by atsonicpark

agnostic.

religion is a joke, but some people "need" it, so yeah.. good for them. i believe there is a possibility in the existence of a divine being, but i would never conform to christian or whatever ridiculous constrictive shit religion you can randomly pick. scoff all you want, but i definitely side up with satanism more than any other religion: it gives you freedom and it preaches things that aren't evil but are fucking logical.

Satanism [proper] has a far greater and far stricter stratification than any other religion I can think of. At what point is that not 'constrictive'? Philosophically, I like a lot about Satanism, so don't think I'm getting at your obviously deep-seated religious convictions [cough], but I'm entirely of the conviction that shouting about your freedom is not, in any way, the same as realising what that freedom actually entails.

To other matters - Religion deals with matters of the spirit. 'Logic' is a strictly defined, man-made schemata. What has that got to do with spirituality?

Otherwise, good work on a slightly limp cheap shot. Returning in kind,

yours, etc.

[EMMAh]

My parents never really talked about religion with me and my brother as a kid, so we kind of had to make the decision for ourselves. I went through fazes as a child where I'd randomly go down the road to this church on Sundays, but I realize now that I just liked that bread shit they gave you. I also used to prey when I was younger (what a waste of time that was). I've also tried to get into buddhism with no success.
I'm an atheist now and I pretty much always have been. I see no point in wasting my life believing in things that obviously aren't true.

[Danny Himself]

Originally Posted by EMMAh

I'm an atheist now and I pretty much always have been. I see no point in wasting my life believing in things that obviously aren't true.

Yikes.

I believe in God and I am not wasting my life. I doesn't make my life any worse- it probably makes it better. I feel good that I live by a set of guidelines that help make you a good person (in some respects).

[Norma J]

Originally Posted by pbradley

Not exactly. One is the act of improving and the other is accomplishing the matter. It's a principle of most religions that people are never perfect. The self-satisfied have come to terms with their imperfections to where they feel they no longer need to improve. Those don't need religion and spoil it if they are (generally ending up like as described in Sonicl's post).

I, however, am self-satisfied in my spiritual/moral/whatever concerns (not smug but having no emptiness or inner conflict) so I don't feel the need to be of a religion.

Religion should only be for the unsatisfied? Use it as a tool for enlightenment and self-satisfaction, and then fuck it off once that goal is acheived?

The whole point of religion is pacifism and peace for everything, most religious folk and groups don't get this though.

[pbradley]

Originally Posted by Norma J

Religion should only be for the unsatisfied? Use it as a tool for enlightenment and self-satisfaction, and then fuck it off once that goal is acheived?

I believe I'm trying to say that the goal is impossible to achieve. It's when they just accept their moral imperfections that they no longer need religion.

It's like when somebody goes to confession in catholicism. If you no longer feel the need to confess, then get out of the kitchen... er church.

[macrodollar]

Agnostic humanist existentialist

[Norma J]

Originally Posted by pbradley

I believe I'm trying to say that the goal is impossible to achieve. It's when they just accept their moral imperfections that they no longer need religion.

I see what you're saying, but you could say that about anything, not just religion.

But again, religion is something you feel. It's not a choice in my opinion.

[Cardinal Rob]

Originally Posted by pbradley

Whenever I think about pantheism I remember all the times I took a piss on a street corner.

I was pissing on God!

I don't see it as that, exactly.

[pbradley]

Originally Posted by Cardinal Rob

I don't see it as that, exactly.

Yeah, I was kidding. I had my own pantheistic stint once.

[golden child]

I feel good that I live by a set of guidelines that help make you a good person (in some respects).

religion isnt just about being "good", that comes second... i guess its more about humbling yourself and acknowledging that you are bad which comes with a desire to do good. i dont agree with satanism because it basically encourages egotism and glorification of the self.

[Everyneurotic]

for me, religion is one other way of reference to take the world and the things that happen in it.

as well as being a set of traditions that tie me with my family and people that come from the same place as me for generations past.

spirituality, another thing all together (although that shouldn't be in theory), is something that i can't quite put to words or anything.

[Dead-Air]

Originally Posted by EMMAh

I see no point in wasting my life believing in things that obviously aren't true.

Well, if it's obvious to you they aren't true, then you wouldn't believe them, no?

I don't see how it's obvious that there is no higher power in the universe any more than it's obvious there is - it's going to come down to an individual's feelings, experience, and/or faith. I have very little of the latter, but a certain amount of the first two that makes me believe there is something out there.

The average "church down the street" is of little use, for me, in determining what, however.

Athiesm, from what I've seen and heard people say, is as much of a faith as any other religion.

[Anngella]

Agnostic atheist.

[Norma J]

Originally Posted by Dead-Air

Athiesm, from what I've seen and heard people say, is as much of a faith as any other religion.

'Word" as the kids say.

[Bastian]

I'm a christian protestant atheist..

I don't know what to think of religion. I kinda agree with Christopher Hitchens who calls religion the greatest source of hatred in the world.
On the other hand, religion can be an inspiration to do good. Well, but atheism can be too, so.. anyways, I hold freedom of religion and the right to believe in whatever you want for a basic human right, and it doesn't look like religion is gonna go away anytime soon. Secularism can limit the damage religion causes though, so as long as there's seperation of the state and religion, the negative effect of religion can be limited.

Speaking of secularism, I'm really amazed to see one million people in Turkey demonstrate for secularism and against islamization of their country. Long live the turkish republic!

[!@#$%!]

earlier i said i have no religion, but...

i do worship the pussy, though.