06.29.2007, 04:13 PM | #41 |
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06.30.2007, 07:34 AM | #42 |
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The goverment are trying to paint this as an Al Qaeda terrorist job. But something casually mentioned on the news this morning made it very clear to me what this is all about:
"The Gay Pride parade in central London on Saturday, the Concert for Diana at Wembley Stadium on Sunday, and Wimbledon tennis championships are all taking place this weekend." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6255452.stm A bomb planted in the West End? Obviously this is a attack on the gay community. Why has no-one in the media emphasised this possibility? Why are they trying to make out its an islamic or Irish terrorist attack? The bombers used a nail and petrol bomb. Does this seem familiar? http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/d...00/2499249.stm It also comes a week after this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6225444.stm Gay bashing is the most likely motive in my opinion. Glaringly obvious. |
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06.30.2007, 07:53 AM | #43 | |
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And how does that motive conflict with the idea of Al Qaeda being behind the bomb plot? Islamists hate gays, they want to kill them all, favourably by cutting of their heads or stoning (or as in the case of iranian state islamism, by hanging them slowly with a crane), but blowing them up is fine too. |
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06.30.2007, 08:15 AM | #44 |
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Absolutely, you're right, I just don't think this link is being made in the British media. And if it was an attack focussed at the gay community it could be any number of groups who have planned this, neo nazi whites (who have a track record of murdering gays in the capital) as well as Al Qaeda.
I wish the media would consider the motives more before jumping to conclusions over who's done it. |
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06.30.2007, 08:40 AM | #45 |
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The likelihood for me is that it was probably a quite low level islamic cell. Coming as it did on the day that Gordon Brown took over as prime minister it seems too politically strategic to be the work of a purely anti-gay outfit. Besides, from what I can tell, Tiger-Tiger isn't a gay club anyway and there has been evidence that fundamentalist groups have been targetting generally straight clubs like Ministry of Sound.
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06.30.2007, 09:28 AM | #46 |
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Also, the claims that this bomb would have caused mass carnage seem a bit over the top to me. I am by no means a bomb expert or anything but the device in question seemed super crude to me. Some gas cannisters and petrol with nails left on the back seat. Surely you could come up with something better than that.
Any speculation about who was behind this is purely that; speculation. It does seem that the media are keen to put this down to an Al Qaeda attack and not really consider alternate possibilities. Time will tell. |
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06.30.2007, 09:35 AM | #47 |
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i think it is going to be interesting to see how gordon brown responds to this, to the public, when talking about the terrorists.
will he use the dreaded bush/blair scare "moral crusade" propaganda rhetoric or will he perhaps speak sensibly of the terrorist(s), and call them criminals and treat them as such? i'm looking forwards to finding out. |
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06.30.2007, 09:38 AM | #48 | |
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Agreed, this is going to be a good chance for him to present his own position on things. |
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06.30.2007, 09:39 AM | #49 |
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You wouldn't have noticed anything was wrong in the West End last night at all. That speaks volumes, I think.
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06.30.2007, 09:42 AM | #50 | |
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Good to hear. It's like the IRA campaigns in the 80s and early 90s. People were thinking they'd cause mass panic/fear but people just got on with things. It just saw a dip in tourists from America. |
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06.30.2007, 09:57 AM | #51 |
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I don't remember people panicking at all when the last bombs went off either, apart from people simply making their way to work by foot. Tiger Tiger is apparently packed full of tourists and people who work in sales on their numerous stag nights. I'm not saying anymore, but everyone knows that sales people are notoriously prone to the odd divorce or two.
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06.30.2007, 12:30 PM | #52 |
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Gas canisters with nails remind me of the 1995-1996 bombings in France (that's what the Algerian islamist organisation GIA used as explosive devices).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Is...ings_in_France Algerian salafist cells are still active but France was a more likely target. |
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06.30.2007, 12:43 PM | #53 | |
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Speculation is always a bit dangerous, but I can't help but feel that the slightly half-assed nature of these attacks makes me think it's less likely to be Al-Qaeda given that they're pretty consise in their organisation. However, as others have said, speculation is a pretty pointless task.
Not being in London at the moment, I have to mention to Mr Marras that when I was there after the bombings, there was a definite fear amongst the people which supplanted the usual blank-ignoring other people fear that suffuses London. Perhaps this wasn't there in the West End last time? Perhaps I was being overly sensitive.
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Christopher Hitchens on the london car bombs:
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