[Rob Instigator]

life is suff3ering is a LOAD of shit

orgasms are not suffering

tasty food is not suffering
rock n roll music making you feel great is not suffering

Life is equal parts suffering and joy and everytrhing in between

what I am talking about is people who are going to die, or who are going to end up in a vegetable state, braindead, who want to end their lioves with soem dignity, with some semblance of themselves still existing.

have you ever watched a loved one die of cancer, watching their bodies and brains get eaten up from within, taking a YEAR or more to die? Lying in a bed, shitting themselves, unable to talk for the last 4 months of life, weighing 75lbs? I HAVE. I watched my father die slowly and ignobly and painfully. The horror in his eyes for the last 3 months of "life" was something that fucked me up for years and years. fuck that shit man.

Go read up on euthanasia and Dr kevorkian and his crusade for people to duie with dignity, not to die numbed by morphine for the last months of their lives.

[Lurker]

Thanks, a much better argument.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

life is suff3ering is a LOAD of shit

orgasms are not suffering

tasty food is not suffering
rock n roll music making you feel great is not suffering

Life is equal parts suffering and joy and everytrhing in between

what I am talking about is people who are going to die, or who are going to end up in a vegetable state, braindead, who want to end their lioves with soem dignity, with some semblance of themselves still existing.

have you ever watched a loved one die of cancer, watching their bodies and brains get eaten up from within, taking a YEAR or more to die? Lying in a bed, shitting themselves, unable to talk for the last 4 months of life, weighing 75lbs? I HAVE. I watched my father die slowly and ignobly and painfully. The horror in his eyes for the last 3 months of "life" was something that fucked me up for years and years. fuck that shit man.

Go read up on euthanasia and Dr kevorkian and his crusade for people to duie with dignity, not to die numbed by morphine for the last months of their lives.

yes, actually I HAVE watched several loved ones die from cancer. it is not easy, but that does not give anyone the right to add needless options. I have also watched several people have full recovery from terminal cancers in stage D, so it is not hopeless. I went went my grandmother to her chemo twice a week when I was kid for nearly a year. she should have died twice, and the was in immense pain, had to have a colonoscopy etc.... etc.. and yet, she absolutely NEVER lost her will to live. now, what if my Grandmother, in a darker more depressed moment, decided to kill herself rather then endure? Further, my friend, be honest with yourself, we all feel hopeless and depressed sometimes, and some of us to the point of suicidal thoughts, but we cant just legitimize these thoughts because of pain. no good will come from it I assure you....



what if everybody killed themselves everytime they felt like it? we might start piling up bodies like at Jonestown I swear, think about how depressed the world is right now. one hundred million prescriptions for anti-depressant medication in America alone last year...

 

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Thanks Rob.

[Rob Instigator]

asian cultures see nothing wrong with determining your own death, with killing yourself. Buddha can go fuck his rich princely ass.

[Lurker]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

 

You're argueing against suicide and you post a picture of Buddha? You're an idiot. Buddhism is just the death drive. Extinction of desire and destruction of the individual - that's just death, isn't it?

[pbradley]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

should people who are starving or homeless or diseased just off themselves just because it is easier?

If they choose to, yes. I would still encourage them to stick through the pain just as I would try to dissuade a terminally ill person from suicide. However I believe that everyone is fundamentally their own guardian, particularly on their own existence. Forcing a person to live despite their absolute choice to die is equal to forcing a person to die despite their absolute choice to live, in my eyes. Yes, there are consequences to suicide for those that remain (loved ones, etc.) but it is up to the suicidal to judge whether these consequences are worth the action. We can only remind them of the weight of the consequences.

[Dead-Air]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

assisted suicide is like the penultimate symbol of the backwardsness of american so-called medicine"

Just so you know, the word "penultimate" means "next to last". It gets misused an awful lot.

[pbradley]

Originally Posted by Dead-Air

Just so you know, the word "penultimate" means "next to last". It gets misused an awful lot.

But the ultimate symbol of the backwardsness of american so-called medicine is giving suckers only to children after a check up and not adults.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by Dead-Air

Just so you know, the word "penultimate" means "next to last". It gets misused an awful lot.

considering we are talking about death, I believe I used the word more then correctly.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by pbradley

Forcing a person to live despite their absolute choice to die is equal to forcing a person to die despite their absolute choice to live, in my eyes.

I have never in my life heard or used the term "forcing a person to live". absurd! i'm not here to live up to your expectations, and neither are you here to live up to mine, but regardless, human beings make a lot of fickle decisions, and I think that we should not let OTHER people help them kill themselves. Hey, if you want to kill yourself, that is fine, I would stop you personally, but it is your business to want to. but, letting someone else help you do the job? that is bullshit. if you can't kill yourself for physical or technical reasons, perhaps you dont really have such a right to begin with? further, it is pandora's box. people will abuse the privilege I assure you, we human beings have devoted 90% of our creativity to inventing new and fascinatingly efficient ways to kill each other, what else could you expect? how do you determine that a person wants to kill themself? what about comas? mutes? retards? people will abuse the process and begin to kill the disable and unspoken for and those who have no one to speak for themselves.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by Lurker

You're argueing against suicide and you post a picture of Buddha? You're an idiot. Buddhism is just the death drive. Extinction of desire and destruction of the individual - that's just death, isn't it?

teeee heeee

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by Lurker

You're argueing against suicide and you post a picture of Buddha? You're an idiot. Buddhism is just the death drive. Extinction of desire and destruction of the individual - that's just death, isn't it?

life is suffering is why I posted the buddha, maybe you should be a bit more perceptive before you put your foot in your mouth?

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

I have never in my life heard or used the term "forcing a person to live". absurd! i'm not here to live up to your expectations, and neither are you here to live up to mine, but regardless, human beings make a lot of fickle decisions, and I think that we should not let OTHER people help them kill themselves. Hey, if you want to kill yourself, that is fine, I would stop you personally, but it is your business to want to. but, letting someone else help you do the job? that is bullshit. if you can't kill yourself for physical or technical reasons, perhaps you dont really have such a right to begin with? further, it is pandora's box. people will abuse the privilege I assure you, we human beings have devoted 90% of our creativity to inventing new and fascinatingly efficient ways to kill each other, what else could you expect?

thats a load of crap, son. so, since you can't perform brain surgery on yourself, you don't have a right to get brain surgery? since you cant get yourself pregnant, you dont have a right to make children? since you can't shove yourself out of the uterus, you don't have the right to be born? you can't raise yourself so you don't have a right to be raised? what about old farts who need assisted living. no right to it? please dude.

social life is all about interdependence. we get people's help all the time for all sorts of things. don't make up bullshit arguments please.

when i'm ready to off myself i wanna hire the best of the best for the job. fuck if i'm gonna leave it in the hands of some shitty amateur. fuck that and fuck your death police.

[pbradley]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

if you can't kill yourself for physical or technical reasons, perhaps you dont really have such a right to begin with?

Wait, so a person who would commit suicide with their own hand but is physically incapable of doing thus loses the right to suicide? What if the person, in their choice to die, refuses to eat but the doctors hook them up to an intravenous feeding mechanism? The doctor would be assisting the suicide if the doctor respected the patient's choice not to eat. The mechanism is forced life in this instance.

Also I'm not going to address a slippery slope argument. I'm concern with it out of principle. Agree with the principle or not, application is another matter.

[Lurker]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

life is suffering is why I posted the buddha, maybe you should be a bit more perceptive before you put your foot in your mouth?

No I understood that. What makes you think I didn't? I may as well have done the same to support my view.

[Rob Instigator]

the Buddha is wholly inapropriate in this conversation
the Buddha taught that all suffering comes from desire. yeah right. tell that fucking whore of a king's son that leaving his daddy's house to go live in the woods, like some sort of trust fund rich boy, is not suffering.

[Dead-Air]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

considering we are talking about death, I believe I used the word more then correctly.

Really, how is death, "next to last"? Just curious.

[Rob Instigator]

assisted suicide is illegal by federal law, and evne in the states where it was legalized, like michigan, federal law surped it in a blatant violation of the 10th amendment of the bill of rights in the US Constitution

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.