[Glice]

I think the only thing in the whole of music that's shitter than Zappa is Zappa fans. Horrendous people. The sort of people who make genocide seem like a warming thought.

[Glice]

What I do like, though, is when this thread comes around about once every 6 months.

[Genteel Death]

Frank Zappa genuinely offends me. If you'd play me one of his records while I'm in a bad mood you'd be lucky if you were still the owner of a nose after that.

[horrorjames]

Back to the original post... Uncle Meat is a very worthwhile listen if you are looking for some jazz influenced recordings from frank. Some "Bitches Brew" (which it pre-dates) sounding stuff creeps up on this double lp. One of my favorites.

[noisereductions]

Originally Posted by Glice

I'm a troll with a large vocabulary.

ooooooooooh. I get it.

[Genteel Death]

there was something that really bothered me about Zappa's relationship with music. I thought, here was a man wo really did nothing to make you want to like him, who did nothing that made you want to love music. Having been forced to learn, the guy was so conflicted about his father and that strict regime that he would ...turn around and spit in the face of an art form...there was a scathing, sarcastic attitude towards music. And really the best part of music is how you get people to work, get people around you to enjoy it and how user-friendly music is to people."-John Cale

[noisereductions]

Interesting quote, GD.

[Toilet & Bowels]

Originally Posted by noisereductions

I don't really think there's a lot of musicians that I could actually say "everything ________ did was shit." I mean even people I'm not into. Say Dave Matthews. I couldn't say EVERYTHING he did was shit. Most of it is shit. But there's a song here or there that I don't think is shit. I don't think it's so easy to just make blanket-statements about someone with such a gigantic discography.

There are entire genres the are irredeemably shit, e.g. happy hardcore, nu-metal, skate punk, funky house

[noisereductions]

Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels

There are entire genres the are irredeemably shit, e.g. happy hardcore, nu-metal, skate punk, funky house

I disagree. I think any genre has SOMETHING at least interesting within it.

[Genteel Death]

Originally Posted by noisereductions

I disagree. I think any genre has SOMETHING at least interesting within it.

That's an interesting observation you make there. One of the reasons I can't absolutely stand Frank Zappa's music is that he produced it from the point of view of someone who was uber-conscious of making ''interesting'' sounds, and in the process forgot that notes are also meant to move the listener.

[noisereductions]

Originally Posted by Genteel Death

That's an interesting observation you make there. One of the reasons I can't absolutely stand Frank Zappa's music is that he produced it from the point of view of someone who was uber-conscious of making ''interesting'' sounds, and in the process forgot that notes are also meant to move the listener.

seriously though -- you don't get ANYTHING out of "Peaches En Regalia"?

[Genteel Death]

Originally Posted by noisereductions

seriously though -- you don't get ANYTHING out of "Peaches En Regalia"?

Never.

[noisereductions]

but certainly you admit that that particular song is certainly filled with notes meant to move people?

[Genteel Death]

Don't get me wrong, I do find some records to sound just interesting and I'm fine with it. With Zappa, though, it's his pervading attitude, or like I mentioned earlier, the totality of his output, be it aural or visual, that I find repulsive.

[Genteel Death]

Originally Posted by noisereductions

but certainly you admit that that particular song is certainly filled with notes meant to move people?

and why would it take a musician 90 albums to offer so little in terms of producing music without one's massive ego in mind then? Isn't that a sign that it's not a priority for them to begin with?

[noisereductions]

I'm not really interested in what his priorities were though. I like the sound of a lot of his music. I dislike the sound of some of it. That's really the extent of my caring.