sad state of Dipset 2009 (a rant)

noisereductions · 06.18.2009, 08:17 AM

I know there's at least one other Dipset fan here. So...

1. Cam'ron - Crime Pays
Cam... you used to be THEE head/heart of Dipset. PURPLE HAZE is the epitome of what a Dipset solo album should/could be. It creates its own world, and makes the listener want to inhabit that world. But this. What is this? Granted there's some good tracks, such as "My Job" which had premiered or leaked or whatever they called it before the album came out. That's a good one. And the one that samples "Blinded By The Light" is good. And that skit where you talking about crapping in the backseat of that girl's car is funny. And y'know, a handful of good tracks. But c'mon man. This is an album. A full album. And we've been waiting for a new album since KILLA SEASON. This album is just okay. It's mediocre. It's not BAD. But it doesn't make me want to listen to it again either. Yawn.

2. Jim Jones - Pray IV Rain
Jimmy, last year's HARLEM'S AMERICAN GANGSTER was in my year-end Top 10 list. That was a great album. Y'know why? Because it took the approach of the sprawling Dipset mixtapes, and then refined it. Instead of 30 tracks, there was a managable 15 or so. The beats were good. And there was focus. This new album is long (as usual for Dipset), but too much sounds the same. I understand that a major label is expecting something specific from you. And "Pop Champagne" is a good club track. But this is disappointing to me. It doesn't sound like a Jim Jones LP. I hate to say that Koch brought out the best in you.

3. Juelz Santana ....
Juelz you f'ing KILLED IT last year with yr verse on Wayne's CARTER III. So here we are waiting for a proper album, and what do we get? A Skull Gang album. Dude. We want to hear a Juelz record. I didn't even get the Skull Gang record. I don't even know if it's good. But...

4. Dipset ...
The rest of you (40 Cal, Dukedagod, JR Writer, Hell Rell, etc) are doing what you should be. Dropping indie albums and finding a voice. So yr dismissed. BUT let's be frank with the Big Three above. We need you all to make up and put out a new Dipset album. No more Skull Gang. No more Byrd Gang. None of that. We need DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY 3. Trust me. And maybe do it on Koch. For some reason that worked for all of you.

jennthebenn · 06.18.2009, 01:05 PM

Cam'ron's problem is production. I don't know what happened to the Heatmakerz, but he needs them badly. He's still one of the most
entertaining lyricists alive when he really wants to be.

Jim Jones needs to be tight with Cam again, so Cam can ghostwrite for him like in the Diplomatic Immunity days. He's got great ad-libs, but unless he's riding a great beat, I'm not interested in his lyrics. Flow way too choppy. And you had Dame Dash talking about Pray IV Reign like it was the new Reasonable Doubt.

I have said this on here before...Skull Gang is trash. Album is trash. Being around Li'l Wayne inspires Juelz to be, well, other than trash. When the hell is I Can't Feel My Face coming out?

JR Writer is the only of the more "minor" players I seek stuff from. "Throw It Up" is on my workout Zen. He's like a younger, fiestier Cam.

I understand your frustration. This year's Summer Jam had a Dipset reunion onstage! Without Cam'ron! What? That's like reuniting Helium and
forgetting Mary Timony. That is not that okey-dokey, and it certainly does not keep computers putin'.

floatingslowly · 06.18.2009, 01:26 PM

although this stuff really isn't my bag, I love it when jenn waxes rap.

total fucking authority.

pantophobia · 06.18.2009, 01:47 PM

it's funny, she is to me an absolute authority on it in my book, yet some guy on a hip hop forum found her old story about cannibal ox from her blog, and just berated her over the thing, granted blog comments aren't always the most constructive ways of critisism, but damn they ended up sounding just damn ignorant trying to debate the point

floatingslowly · 06.18.2009, 02:00 PM

I'm a firm believer that if somebody somewhere doesn't hate you, then yr doing something wrong.

noisereductions · 06.18.2009, 02:05 PM

I knew you would comment, jenn! Thank you!!

I dont understand the I CAN"T FEEL MY FACE holdup either. They've dropped a couple of good mixtapes together... but I want the album. Enough freestyles and appropriated tracks. Let's get serious here when you guys are still young. haha.

Toilet & Bowels · 06.18.2009, 05:48 PM

can someone post some links (youtube or whatever) to good stuff by any of these people because i've never really liked anything i've heard but enough people with taste in hiphop seem to like them to make me want to keep trying?
thanks

viewtiful_alan · 06.18.2009, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by noisereductions

I knew you would comment, jenn! Thank you!!

I dont understand the I CAN"T FEEL MY FACE holdup either. They've dropped a couple of good mixtapes together... but I want the album. Enough freestyles and appropriated tracks. Let's get serious here when you guys are still young. haha.

Both Wayne and Juelz have made comments about it coming out soon.. but I think the suits keep holding it back over money disputes.
They should kind of get over it though, before someone just leaks the whole thing and no one makes any money.

noisereductions · 06.18.2009, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels

can someone post some links (youtube or whatever) to good stuff by any of these people because i've never really liked anything i've heard but enough people with taste in hiphop seem to like them to make me want to keep trying?
thanks

Here's some Cam'ron...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilTQJ6vUkE0
^this one isn't a real video. It's a stupid video. But I love the song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HzcOG6yY9k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eKbJ...eature=related

jennthebenn · 06.18.2009, 06:31 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VbAKrd0zEY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sh79atSxjt0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYdgct7PrmA

noisereductions · 06.18.2009, 06:57 PM

more

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QanePHutk6E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywOCKYCB7Vg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyyDKv_tMV0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSbydRjCe4Q
^no idea why that's footage from 30 DAYS OF NIGHT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcRinfpfOPE

wellcharge · 06.18.2009, 08:12 PM

noisereductions · 06.18.2009, 08:14 PM

OMG! I forgot "Crunk Music"! Good call, Wellcharge!

wellcharge · 06.18.2009, 08:16 PM

lol, i just saw a movie called "jules and jim" on the tv listings

noisereductions · 06.18.2009, 08:17 PM

Weird. Another that I'm surprised none of posted was "We Fly High," I mean that's probably the most well-known Dip-related track, huh?

jennthebenn · 06.18.2009, 08:24 PM

I couldn't find "Ground Zero" on Youtube, maybe my favorite Dipset song.

noisereductions · 06.18.2009, 08:25 PM

You saw that I posted it, right? It is amazing. I think I had to put Diplomats Ground Zero, since it was on the first DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY album when they still went by Diplomats.

jennthebenn · 06.18.2009, 08:35 PM

Two of the vids wouldn't come up for me 'cause my Firefox is futzy with
Youtube, and that must have been one of them, haha. And yes, I was
searching "Dipset Ground Zero".

See, now after 5 minutes it's playing for me.

I still can't believe they sampled fucking Winger.

noisereductions · 06.18.2009, 08:47 PM

Was it Winger??? My God. It's always been one of my favorite Dipset beats ever.

Toilet & Bowels · 06.19.2009, 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by wellcharge

lol, i just saw a movie called "jules and jim" on the tv listings

that's a really famous french film from the 60s
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jules_and_Jim

06.18.2009, 08:17 AM	#1
noisereductions invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New England, USA Posts: 16,210	I know there's at least one other Dipset fan here. So... 1. Cam'ron - Crime Pays Cam... you used to be THEE head/heart of Dipset. PURPLE HAZE is the epitome of what a Dipset solo album should/could be. It creates its own world, and makes the listener want to inhabit that world. But this. What is this? Granted there's some good tracks, such as "My Job" which had premiered or leaked or whatever they called it before the album came out. That's a good one. And the one that samples "Blinded By The Light" is good. And that skit where you talking about crapping in the backseat of that girl's car is funny. And y'know, a handful of good tracks. But c'mon man. This is an album. A full album. And we've been waiting for a new album since KILLA SEASON. This album is just okay. It's mediocre. It's not BAD. But it doesn't make me want to listen to it again either. Yawn. 2. Jim Jones - Pray IV Rain Jimmy, last year's HARLEM'S AMERICAN GANGSTER was in my year-end Top 10 list. That was a great album. Y'know why? Because it took the approach of the sprawling Dipset mixtapes, and then refined it. Instead of 30 tracks, there was a managable 15 or so. The beats were good. And there was focus. This new album is long (as usual for Dipset), but too much sounds the same. I understand that a major label is expecting something specific from you. And "Pop Champagne" is a good club track. But this is disappointing to me. It doesn't sound like a Jim Jones LP. I hate to say that Koch brought out the best in you. 3. Juelz Santana .... Juelz you f'ing KILLED IT last year with yr verse on Wayne's CARTER III. So here we are waiting for a proper album, and what do we get? A Skull Gang album. Dude. We want to hear a Juelz record. I didn't even get the Skull Gang record. I don't even know if it's good. But... 4. Dipset ... The rest of you (40 Cal, Dukedagod, JR Writer, Hell Rell, etc) are doing what you should be. Dropping indie albums and finding a voice. So yr dismissed. BUT let's be frank with the Big Three above. We need you all to make up and put out a new Dipset album. No more Skull Gang. No more Byrd Gang. None of that. We need DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY 3. Trust me. And maybe do it on Koch. For some reason that worked for all of you. __________________ noisereduxinstalled.weebly.com
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06.18.2009, 01:05 PM	#2
jennthebenn expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Maryland Posts: 2,261	Cam'ron's problem is production. I don't know what happened to the Heatmakerz, but he needs them badly. He's still one of the most entertaining lyricists alive when he really wants to be. Jim Jones needs to be tight with Cam again, so Cam can ghostwrite for him like in the Diplomatic Immunity days. He's got great ad-libs, but unless he's riding a great beat, I'm not interested in his lyrics. Flow way too choppy. And you had Dame Dash talking about Pray IV Reign like it was the new Reasonable Doubt. I have said this on here before...Skull Gang is trash. Album is trash. Being around Li'l Wayne inspires Juelz to be, well, other than trash. When the hell is I Can't Feel My Face coming out? JR Writer is the only of the more "minor" players I seek stuff from. "Throw It Up" is on my workout Zen. He's like a younger, fiestier Cam. I understand your frustration. This year's Summer Jam had a Dipset reunion onstage! Without Cam'ron! What? That's like reuniting Helium and forgetting Mary Timony. That is not that okey-dokey, and it certainly does not keep computers putin'. __________________ http://jennthebenn.tumblr.com/
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06.18.2009, 01:26 PM	#3
floatingslowly invito al cielo Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 21,165	although this stuff really isn't my bag, I love it when jenn waxes rap. total fucking authority.
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06.18.2009, 01:47 PM	#4
pantophobia expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Maryland Posts: 2,349	it's funny, she is to me an absolute authority on it in my book, yet some guy on a hip hop forum found her old story about cannibal ox from her blog, and just berated her over the thing, granted blog comments aren't always the most constructive ways of critisism, but damn they ended up sounding just damn ignorant trying to debate the point
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06.18.2009, 02:00 PM	#5
floatingslowly invito al cielo Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 21,165	I'm a firm believer that if somebody somewhere doesn't hate you, then yr doing something wrong.
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06.18.2009, 02:05 PM	#6
noisereductions invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New England, USA Posts: 16,210	I knew you would comment, jenn! Thank you!! I dont understand the I CAN"T FEEL MY FACE holdup either. They've dropped a couple of good mixtapes together... but I want the album. Enough freestyles and appropriated tracks. Let's get serious here when you guys are still young. haha. __________________ noisereduxinstalled.weebly.com
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06.18.2009, 05:48 PM	#7
Toilet & Bowels invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern Europe Posts: 12,264	can someone post some links (youtube or whatever) to good stuff by any of these people because i've never really liked anything i've heard but enough people with taste in hiphop seem to like them to make me want to keep trying? thanks
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06.18.2009, 06:31 PM	#10
jennthebenn expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Maryland Posts: 2,261	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VbAKrd0zEY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sh79atSxjt0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYdgct7PrmA __________________ http://jennthebenn.tumblr.com/
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06.18.2009, 06:57 PM	#11
noisereductions invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New England, USA Posts: 16,210	more http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QanePHutk6E http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywOCKYCB7Vg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyyDKv_tMV0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSbydRjCe4Q ^no idea why that's footage from 30 DAYS OF NIGHT http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcRinfpfOPE __________________ noisereduxinstalled.weebly.com
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06.18.2009, 08:12 PM	#12
wellcharge expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: cold and boring kanada Posts: 1,297	don't fool with the dips http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7YJpkvlbNA jim jones+hell rell-penitentiary chances http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66ACIwyDLSU juelz santana-red bandana http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HAUyK2bEB4 juelz santana-kill yourself http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHE8sZ04cWA Juelz Santana,cam'ron, sizzla-shottas http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzupC0c9Pug juelz santana-clockwork http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl0Ih2ibJwQ jim jones,cam'ron,juelz-crunk muzik http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_85gIjUC_Q jim jones,juelz santana,latiff,jr.writer-honey dip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gqm6ZdcEXVM jim jones-summer with miami http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imWzXDZUZ9c Purple City and Jim Jones-purple city byrd gang http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx56JkSdcfU
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06.18.2009, 08:14 PM	#13
noisereductions invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New England, USA Posts: 16,210	OMG! I forgot "Crunk Music"! Good call, Wellcharge! __________________ noisereduxinstalled.weebly.com
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06.18.2009, 08:16 PM	#14
wellcharge expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: cold and boring kanada Posts: 1,297	lol, i just saw a movie called "jules and jim" on the tv listings
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06.18.2009, 08:17 PM	#15
noisereductions invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New England, USA Posts: 16,210	Weird. Another that I'm surprised none of posted was "We Fly High," I mean that's probably the most well-known Dip-related track, huh? __________________ noisereduxinstalled.weebly.com
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06.18.2009, 08:24 PM	#16
jennthebenn expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Maryland Posts: 2,261	I couldn't find "Ground Zero" on Youtube, maybe my favorite Dipset song. __________________ http://jennthebenn.tumblr.com/
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06.18.2009, 08:25 PM	#17
noisereductions invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New England, USA Posts: 16,210	You saw that I posted it, right? It is amazing. I think I had to put Diplomats Ground Zero, since it was on the first DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY album when they still went by Diplomats. __________________ noisereduxinstalled.weebly.com
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06.18.2009, 08:35 PM	#18
jennthebenn expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Maryland Posts: 2,261	Two of the vids wouldn't come up for me 'cause my Firefox is futzy with Youtube, and that must have been one of them, haha. And yes, I was searching "Dipset Ground Zero". See, now after 5 minutes it's playing for me. I still can't believe they sampled fucking Winger. __________________ http://jennthebenn.tumblr.com/
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06.18.2009, 08:47 PM	#19
noisereductions invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New England, USA Posts: 16,210	Was it Winger??? My God. It's always been one of my favorite Dipset beats ever. __________________ noisereduxinstalled.weebly.com
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