[SonicBebs]

You fucking twats

[!@#$%!]

god told them to be complete fucktards. it's in the bible.

[EVOLghost]

..?

[SonicBebs]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...es-amendment-1

i hadn't realised that 29 other states also have a ban (as the uk do)

[EVOLghost]

 

[sonic sphere]

what if your cousin is your gay lover?

[gmku]

It's not a proud moment here. If I could move out of this yokel state, I would.

So what is the rationale, other than "moral" or "religious"? I have to think there's a financial motiviation. Less expensive for insurance companies?

http://www.citizen-times.com/article...text|Frontpage

[evollove]

This whole issue is bullshit.

Even aside from the right to marry, gays are denied any number of other rights in the US. I mean, there are pockets of this country, even in my relatively sane state, where homosexuals can be denied housing. In 2012.

"Civil union" is the left's pussified way of dealing with the situation. "Seperate but equal," they say, because that worked so well in the past.

We need a COMPREHENSIVE civil rights amendment or federal act so that non-criminal, tax-paying citizens are afforded the exact same rights as everyone else.

Til then, even the gay rights activists pushing for marriage are just tinkering.

[tripsk]

marriage is kinda stupid anyway, isn't it more of a religious thing? if they're not religious, what's the point?

[rocky]

Vote manipulation isn't only with main presidential elections!

I am sad though and really upset. Why setbacks? Oh but wait maybe it will also backfire for the person who would be the worst governor in state history. ; ) Oops!

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by tripsk

marriage is kinda stupid anyway, isn't it more of a religious thing? if they're not religious, what's the point?

a civil marriage is a specific contract that establishes a family in the eyes of the law and has nothing to do with religion.

it determines stuff like who can adopt children as a couple, who gets to inherit your IRA, who gets to make decisions about your children, who gets what if a couple splits, who is eligible for medical benefits, what foreign citizen can legally come into the country as a family member, who gets to call the shots when you're in a coma, and all that "kinda stupid" shit that children don't think about when they live with their parents.

[floatingslowly]

If I were THE GAY, I'd be more focused on getting gay sex legalized first.

Yes, gay sex will send you to jail where there will be more gay sex, and the cycle continues.....

Madness!

[tripsk]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

a civil marriage is a specific contract that establishes a family in the eyes of the law and has nothing to do with religion.

it determines stuff like who can adopt children as a couple, who gets to inherit your IRA, who gets to make decisions about your children, who gets what if a couple splits, who is eligible for medical benefits, who can legally come into the country as a family member, who gets to call the shots when you're in a coma, and all that "kinda stupid" shit that children don't think about when they live with their parents.

and then the woman gets all of the money and the kids when she divorces me right

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

here is the more interesting question. All sociocultural baggage aside, considering that a civil marriage is essentially an economic contract legally recognized and upheld by the powers and mechanisms of the state, including the penal system, then why does the business community not push forward gay marriage? America has proven that when push comes to shove, prejudice is shallow. We used to have slaves!! We used to have rigidly enforced Jim Crow across the whole damned country!! Now if I were to tell my godchildren who are just small children that the world used to be that way, it would be so absolutely foreign to them as to seem unreal. It would be pure fantasy, beyond their comprehension. That being said, Americans prejudices against homosexuality are not as rigidly indestructable as folks may want them to be. The question is not what do the people want, people are manipulatable one way or the other. The question is what does the business want. Why did slavery end? Simple answer, slavery was dollar for dollar more expensive than a free labor market. The South resisted because for them, the market value of slaves themselves collectively represented more than monetary value of all the other commodities combined. Money talks. In the end, the businesses in the North fuelled the South, and their interests won the day. Why did segregation end? WWII proved that both "minorities" and also women were ridiculously productive and valuable labour force. It was more profitable to find ways to ghettoize America and develop classes of labor than to have folks rotting away in rural settings. So folks were encouraged by incentivization, by recruiting, by outright eviction, to find work in urban environs, to join the business world. So now, honestly, if marriage is really just an economic contract in America, in which insurance companies, employers, and the government determine the costs and benefits of various services, wouldn't it be more profitable in the long run to include more people in an "all-in" approach? Just as with slavery, and then segregation before, it turns out those were unprofitable and unproductive systems. So is discrimination against homosexuality equally then an anachronism from an economic stand point? So that is what surprises me.. That the business interest haven't steam rolled this social change forward..

[gmku]

If gay men get married, they could also get divorced, right? That would mean our Nation's divorce rate could go up. We can't have that. I'm now against gay marriage!

[Dr. Eugene Felikson]

Being against gay marriage seems far more evil to me than most of the things the Christian-right disapprove of.

[tw2113]

I say if homosexuals want to enter the alleged hell that is marriage, they should be able to.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by tw2113

I say if homosexuals want to enter the alleged hell that is marriage, they should be able to.

 

[ann ashtray]

Originally Posted by tripsk

marriage is kinda stupid anyway, isn't it more of a religious thing? if they're not religious, what's the point?

I'm with this mostly....

Only issue is certain rights that straight married couples have, that homosexuals (being unable to marry) do not.

But yeah, marriage is definitely stupid + mostly religious thing.

[EVOLghost]

^ I don't understand this....when peope say it's a "religious" thing. Maybe a moral thing but religious? I call bull.