[girlsrockmovie]

Hey folks, thought you all might be interested in checking out this documentary we're making on the Rock 'n' Roll Camp for Girls. You can see a trailer and join the community at http://www.girlsrockmovie.com . We're aiming for a release in 2007.

Aside from the amazing music the girls make on their empowering journey, there's also a great soundtrack of women rockers featuring:

Bikini Kill
Sonic Youth
Le Tigre
Sleater Kinney
The Gossip
Rainier Maria
The Donnas
Veruca Salt

[k-krack]

Do you not think it is actually less empowering by shoving it in peoples faces? Nobody cares that yr a woman in music anymore, they just wanna see/hear you rockin' it.

[gmku]

Does every journey these days have to be empowering!?

It's all you hear on reality tv--how their "journey" and their "transformation" and "experience" was such an enlightening and empowering journey. Sometimes an experience is just an experience and it's not a journey to self-discovery and transformation, you know.

Ugh.

Could you taken a lessen in marketing before shoving this at us, or at least come up with a more creative tagline.

We're very critical here.

[porkmarras]

Originally Posted by swa(y)

hahaha...totally dude.

how about we make a movie...called "guysrock"...haha...about how we need to be more empowered to make it in the industry...
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I wouldn't want to argue with The Ineternet if i was you,potato head.

[gmku]

No, I think he was agreeing with the Internet. I'll check my browser. Yes, it says he was agreeing.

[heavium]

that feminist crap is..crap.

i like the featured bands, because they just sound good, esp. sy, bikini kill, sleater kinney, what about the babes or bratmobile, shannon wright a.o. ? ..hm..

and as mentioned before..bands are bands, artists are artists, what matters is that you like what they create, not who or what they are, right ?

[porkmarras]

Originally Posted by gmku

No, I think he was agreeing with the Internet. I'll check my browser. Yes, it says he was agreeing.

No worries,i was just testing him out as i am The Future so he might want to be nice to me or else i might reveal what i'm holding for him.

[gmku]

I think being The Future is better than being The Internet. Why didn't somebody tell me that one was open?

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[contrelefuckingsexisme]

i am checking it on youtube because I HATE having to watch it in such a little screen. But as far as I've seen...it's not very promising.

[Danny Himself]

I hate shit like this. Rock 'schools' and whatnot. You can't LEARN rock and roll at a fucking camp or whatever. Like that piece of shit Jack Black movie where he was all 'listen to the ramones, wear converse, gibson sgs rule'. I can't believe Jim O'Rourke worked on that horrible movie, or that the kid's band practiced at Murray Street.

Feminists can suck my big fucking dick.

[thewall91]

hey all you haters. i've never been one to be called a feminist, but if you're a girl and you walk into a big guitar store, you will soon find out that the people who work there pay you a whole lot less attention and certainly give you a lot less respect.

and i did a ladies rock camp this summer, which was a fundraiser for the girls rock camp, and it was one of the best experiences of my life. a lot of times you just need to do something like that to see kind of how easy it is to write a song, because the whole process just sounds intimidating. our camp was one weekend - met on a friday, wrote a song on saturday, played a concert on sunday, and it totally ruled. i met a drummer there who is in my band now, which i never would have had the guts to start if i hadn't gone to that camp. the empowerment thing isn't about "i can't believe i'm a girl and i'm doing this - i rock," it's just more of the doing something for yourself aspect that's empowering. i only started playing bass in march and i actually have a band now. i'm still in disbelief.

here's the article in the ny metro about my camp weekend this past summer.
http://ny.metro.us/metro/local/artic...rock/3705.html

i'll continue to support the girls rock thing because it's something i wish would have been around when i was little, because i can't do a damn thing with the gymnastics i learned.

[Norma J]

Anybody can walk into a guitar store and not get respect or attention, as people who work at guitar stores know everything about everything and can play better than anybody who walks through the door. Well that's the mentality they have anway.

[contrelefuckingsexisme]

Originally Posted by thewall91

hey all you haters. i've never been one to be called a feminist, but if you're a girl and you walk into a big guitar store, you will soon find out that the people who work there pay you a whole lot less attention and certainly give you a lot less respect.

I don't agree with you in that. I don't know why that is that way in wherever you live, but it's definetely not like that over here...
And also...why are you in desbelief that you have a band because of being a girl?

I mean, I am not the best thing you'll have ever heard playing music and still I have at least 10 persons wanting to start a project with me, which is quite weird but I said yes to all of their proposals.

[thewall91]

i'm not in disbelief i'm in a band because i'm a girl - it's just something i didn't think i could do. it sounds a lot harder than it is. i learned that it wasn't all that hard through the camp. there were people there who had never picked up a guitar in their life and played a show on stage. that was the cool part.
it was a nice way for girls to strip down their natural competitiveness and work together instead of against each other.

i shave my legs. i let boys pick up heavy stuff for me. i don't feel like i'm treated like a lesser person in general because i'm a girl. but at the guitar store i went into (guitar center on 14th street in manhattan), i got the distinct impression that the reason i was being ignored was because they looked at me and assumed i couldn't play because i'm a girl. they did see me there, obviously interested, and chose to ignore me. it's not that way at all guitar stores i've been in, but that was the impression i got at this particular one, and i'd never actually had an impression like that before. it shocked me. maybe i shouldn't have made it a generalization that it's like that for everyone, but it was definitely like that for me.

and i'm really shocked by all the negativity in this thread about something that is really a positive thing for girls - the fact that it's "for girls" and bothers people so much might be a testament to what you're railing against.

[Alex's Trip]

Originally Posted by contrelefuckingsexisme

And also...why are you in desbelief that you have a band because of being a girl?

She didn't say that. She said that if it hadn't been for that rock camp she wouldn't have had the guts to start a band.

Edit: nevermind

[alteredcourse]

thewall - perhaps they perceieved you as being too young , too old , too pale , too poor , too wealthy , too attractive , too ugly for their comfort levels and so give you little attention . how is it you know its because youre a girl ? it just soudns like the insecurity about being a female is coming from YOU , not them .

plus , you said that this guitar shop was in fact an exception - the only shop out of a bunch that treated you this way , no matter what the "assumption" was on . if this is true , then why would you take it personally, onto a level of your sex+gender , assuming that theres this problem in the world where chicks dont get equal treatment in music and not see just those individuals as sheepfuckers ?


i dont like to corner people when theres already people critisizing but i am tired of chicks assuming all this , and inventing this gender-barrier when the problems are mostly based on other things, like self-assuredness and personal security . as humans .

Oh , but, also,
i think i understand about the rock camp that you went to .
and i think its great . id love to go to some sort of music workshop , and i would totally feel intimidated .
i dont believe, though ,that theres a problem with being a shy insecure girl that discovered the skill of songwriting , but perhaps there was an issue with being a shy insecure girl .
anythign we're not familiar with can be intimidating , especialy in skills that we hold with high respect like music or art , so its easy to be intimidated by those that can perform them well .

[cryptowonderdruginvogue]

sounds interesting

id love to check this out

[Danny Himself]

Originally Posted by thewall91

and i'm really shocked by all the negativity in this thread about something that is really a positive thing for girls - the fact that it's "for girls" and bothers people so much might be a testament to what you're railing against.

The whole thing sounds so phony, though. They picked every cliche 'grrrl' band they could. It sounds like that Yo La Tengo video where they go to band school.