Question about EVOL LP

eternal · 08.19.2009, 06:55 AM

hey guys, i have a quick question about a copy of EVOL which i just got on vinyl.

It is BFFP4, but it is red vinyl and there is NO locked groove on expressway to yr skull, which goes against what is said here http://sonicyouth.com/mustang/lp/lp4.html

also, the vinyl was still in shrink wrap which i found odd for a record that has been out of print for forever...

anyways, i was just wondering if this is possibly a scam ebay seller who presses his own rare vinyls and sells them, and if you guys think its possible i could get a few bucks back from him...because if this is fake, its not worth what i paid for it.

noisereductions · 08.19.2009, 07:03 AM

hmmm. Interesting. I wonder if it's a recent Blast First repress that no one knew about. But why no lockgroove I wonder?

nicfit · 08.19.2009, 07:06 AM

are there etchings on the sides?

noisereductions · 08.19.2009, 08:21 AM

another thing; does it indicate ANYWHERE a country of origin? IE: Where was it pressed?

radarmaker · 08.19.2009, 01:02 PM

Got pics? I'd love to see it.

Do you have an original BF copy to compare it to? I've picked up (presumably) bootleg copies of Goo on clear red & marbled blue vinyl over the past year, and the sleeve & label quality is noticeably inferior to an original when compared side-by-side.

And yeah, post the matrix code exactly as they're printed/written - if it's genuine, they should match up with existing BF copies, unless entirely new masters have been made. I'd strongly suspect it's a boot though (albeit a pretty cool one

)

Oh, and what about the inner sleeve? Printed on shimmery paper like the originals, or just a plain white sleeve?

radarmaker · 08.19.2009, 01:04 PM

oh, and who was the eBay seller? PM me if you don't want to make it public, but I can prob tell you if it's the same person as either of my coloured boots.

eternal · 08.19.2009, 04:25 PM

the seller is heyzeus-chreenst and his store is the CO-OP DUDE.

EVERYTHING is identical to what is posted in the first 6 pictures here: http://sonicyouth.com/mustang/lp/lp4.html

i dont have an original EVOL on black, so i cant compare but everything looks identical except that it's red and no locked groove, no listing of a country except that Blast First logo on the back cover that says London underneath it. the insert is on glossy, thick paper like most records.

etched arounnd the label on the vinyl is BFFP 4 A/B in like a handwriting sort of font.

thanks in advance for any help. if it is a bootleg, any suggestions if i can/should take any action?

Rob Instigator · 08.19.2009, 04:55 PM

you should instantly snail mail that shit over to rob instigator.

radarmaker · 08.19.2009, 06:12 PM

The full matrix code my Blast First original reads:

Side 1 (machine stamped): BFFP-4 A-2U-I-
with "A Porky Prime Cut" hand-scratched below it.

Side 2 (machine stamped): BFFP-4 B-2U-I- with EVERYTHING TURNS BLACK TO BLUE hand-scratched and "BILBO TAPE DIR" hand-scratched in smaller lettering further around.

I don't know that seller, but I'd certainly lean towards yours being a boot (as I would with just about any previously undocumented coloured LPs that show up out of the blue, given the avalanche of similar boots for other artists that's appeared over the past few years). Doubt this'll be the last SY one either.

You can try asking the seller for a partial refund, but I wouldn't get your hopes up - if this is the one you bought, it did say "reissue" in the description, and $30 isn't too bad a price - I paid almost $80 for the blue marbled Goo when that first appeared :/
I'd offer to buy yours if I was a little more flush, but can't really justify it right now I'm afraid..

radarmaker · 08.19.2009, 06:22 PM

Oh, and the fact that there's a white inner sleeve & separate printed insert is another giveaway - on original copies, the inner sleeve itself has the printed design that's on your insert.

noisereductions · 08.19.2009, 06:26 PM

boot or not. That shit is hot.

radarmaker · 08.19.2009, 06:28 PM

Damn straight

eternal · 08.19.2009, 08:23 PM

oh ok, i didnt know that the original innersleeve had the lyrics and stuff on it, i thought it was just a side insert (like on a thousand leaves?)

rossboss · 08.20.2009, 07:59 AM

I wonder if this is from the same 'batch' ?
http://cgi.ebay.com/SONIC-YOUTH-Evol...86.m20.l11 16

radarmaker · 08.20.2009, 12:59 PM

Almost certainly. I don't think any Blast First stuff was officially pressed on coloured vinyl.

eternal · 08.20.2009, 03:18 PM

i messaged the seller, he offered an $11 refund. so i basically got this sweet looking copy of EVOL (that sounds great and is in mint condition) for only 15 bucks. To say i'm pretty happy about it is an understatement

Bal · 08.20.2009, 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by radarmaker

Almost certainly. I don't think any Blast First stuff was officially pressed on coloured vinyl.

there were some pink pressings i think
or maybe those werent sst?

scott v · 08.20.2009, 03:22 PM

I'd say its definitely a reissue and not a bootleg...

I believe SST initially pressed some pink/white swirled versions, then the std black... but all of the original SST LPs have the locked groove Expressway...

radarmaker · 08.20.2009, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bal

there were some pink pressings i think
or maybe those werent sst?

They were SST, same as the purple Sister (both of those were limited reissues from around 1990, I believe)

Quote:

Originally Posted by scott v

I'd say its definitely a reissue and not a bootleg...

Based on what?
The non-matching matrix & plain inner sleeve with printed insert is the same deal as with my bootleg Goo, there's no mention of a reissue on Mute's Blast First site, and coloured vinyl bootlegs by all kinds of artists have been appearing over the past few years.
I'd bet good money that the print quality of the sleeve & label will be inferior to that of original copies too.

scott v · 08.21.2009, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by radarmaker

They were SST, same as the purple Sister (both of those were limited reissues from around 1990, I believe)

Based on what?
The non-matching matrix & plain inner sleeve with printed insert is the same deal as with my bootleg Goo, there's no mention of a reissue on Mute's Blast First site, and coloured vinyl bootlegs by all kinds of artists have been appearing over the past few years.
I'd bet good money that the print quality of the sleeve & label will be inferior to that of original copies too.

It was just a hunch but you have more info, based on what i you just stated i'd now agree about it being a boot, interesting that someone or some company would go through the effort with recreating a version with colored vinyl... but maybe not that much of a big deal. I'd wonder what the fidelity is like also...

08.19.2009, 06:55 AM	#1
eternal bad moon rising Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Toronto Posts: 177	hey guys, i have a quick question about a copy of EVOL which i just got on vinyl. It is BFFP4, but it is red vinyl and there is NO locked groove on expressway to yr skull, which goes against what is said here http://sonicyouth.com/mustang/lp/lp4.html also, the vinyl was still in shrink wrap which i found odd for a record that has been out of print for forever... anyways, i was just wondering if this is possibly a scam ebay seller who presses his own rare vinyls and sells them, and if you guys think its possible i could get a few bucks back from him...because if this is fake, its not worth what i paid for it.
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08.19.2009, 07:03 AM	#2
noisereductions invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New England, USA Posts: 16,210	hmmm. Interesting. I wonder if it's a recent Blast First repress that no one knew about. But why no lockgroove I wonder? __________________ noisereduxinstalled.weebly.com
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08.19.2009, 07:06 AM	#3
nicfit invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: banana boat Posts: 15,570	are there etchings on the sides? __________________ 11:11 11-11-11 I Ascended.
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08.19.2009, 08:21 AM	#4
noisereductions invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New England, USA Posts: 16,210	another thing; does it indicate ANYWHERE a country of origin? IE: Where was it pressed? __________________ noisereduxinstalled.weebly.com
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08.19.2009, 01:02 PM	#5
radarmaker the end of the ugly Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1,122	Got pics? I'd love to see it. Do you have an original BF copy to compare it to? I've picked up (presumably) bootleg copies of Goo on clear red & marbled blue vinyl over the past year, and the sleeve & label quality is noticeably inferior to an original when compared side-by-side. And yeah, post the matrix code exactly as they're printed/written - if it's genuine, they should match up with existing BF copies, unless entirely new masters have been made. I'd strongly suspect it's a boot though (albeit a pretty cool one ) Oh, and what about the inner sleeve? Printed on shimmery paper like the originals, or just a plain white sleeve?
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08.19.2009, 01:04 PM	#6
radarmaker the end of the ugly Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1,122	oh, and who was the eBay seller? PM me if you don't want to make it public, but I can prob tell you if it's the same person as either of my coloured boots.
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08.19.2009, 04:25 PM	#7
eternal bad moon rising Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Toronto Posts: 177	the seller is heyzeus-chreenst and his store is the CO-OP DUDE. EVERYTHING is identical to what is posted in the first 6 pictures here: http://sonicyouth.com/mustang/lp/lp4.html i dont have an original EVOL on black, so i cant compare but everything looks identical except that it's red and no locked groove, no listing of a country except that Blast First logo on the back cover that says London underneath it. the insert is on glossy, thick paper like most records. etched arounnd the label on the vinyl is BFFP 4 A/B in like a handwriting sort of font. thanks in advance for any help. if it is a bootleg, any suggestions if i can/should take any action?
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08.19.2009, 04:55 PM	#8
Rob Instigator invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the land of the Instigator Posts: 27,967	you should instantly snail mail that shit over to rob instigator. __________________ RXTT's Intellectual Journey - my new blog where I talk about all the books I read.
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08.19.2009, 06:12 PM	#9
radarmaker the end of the ugly Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1,122	The full matrix code my Blast First original reads: Side 1 (machine stamped): BFFP-4 A-2U-I- with "A Porky Prime Cut" hand-scratched below it. Side 2 (machine stamped): BFFP-4 B-2U-I- with EVERYTHING TURNS BLACK TO BLUE hand-scratched and "BILBO TAPE DIR" hand-scratched in smaller lettering further around. I don't know that seller, but I'd certainly lean towards yours being a boot (as I would with just about any previously undocumented coloured LPs that show up out of the blue, given the avalanche of similar boots for other artists that's appeared over the past few years). Doubt this'll be the last SY one either. You can try asking the seller for a partial refund, but I wouldn't get your hopes up - if this is the one you bought, it did say "reissue" in the description, and $30 isn't too bad a price - I paid almost $80 for the blue marbled Goo when that first appeared :/ I'd offer to buy yours if I was a little more flush, but can't really justify it right now I'm afraid..
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08.19.2009, 06:22 PM	#10
radarmaker the end of the ugly Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1,122	Oh, and the fact that there's a white inner sleeve & separate printed insert is another giveaway - on original copies, the inner sleeve itself has the printed design that's on your insert.
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08.19.2009, 06:26 PM	#11
noisereductions invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New England, USA Posts: 16,210	boot or not. That shit is hot. __________________ noisereduxinstalled.weebly.com
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08.19.2009, 06:28 PM	#12
radarmaker the end of the ugly Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1,122	Damn straight
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08.19.2009, 08:23 PM	#13
eternal bad moon rising Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Toronto Posts: 177	oh ok, i didnt know that the original innersleeve had the lyrics and stuff on it, i thought it was just a side insert (like on a thousand leaves?)
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08.20.2009, 07:59 AM	#14
rossboss little trouble girl Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Dublin,Ireland Posts: 38	I wonder if this is from the same 'batch' ? http://cgi.ebay.com/SONIC-YOUTH-Evol...86.m20.l11 16
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08.20.2009, 12:59 PM	#15
radarmaker the end of the ugly Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1,122	Almost certainly. I don't think any Blast First stuff was officially pressed on coloured vinyl.
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08.20.2009, 03:18 PM	#16
eternal bad moon rising Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Toronto Posts: 177	i messaged the seller, he offered an $11 refund. so i basically got this sweet looking copy of EVOL (that sounds great and is in mint condition) for only 15 bucks. To say i'm pretty happy about it is an understatement
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08.20.2009, 03:22 PM	#18
scott v expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 1,484	I'd say its definitely a reissue and not a bootleg... I believe SST initially pressed some pink/white swirled versions, then the std black... but all of the original SST LPs have the locked groove Expressway...
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