Expensive cities are killing creativity

Genteel Death · 01.11.2014, 02:13 PM

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opi...856922461.html

!@#$%! · 01.11.2014, 02:18 PM

good article-- we fled to the fucking farm so we don't have to work 3 jobs per person in order to afford our own projects every other saturday afternoon.

Toilet & Bowels · 01.11.2014, 05:15 PM

I haven't read the article yet (I will, thanks for posting it) but I've been thinking this (what the thread title says) about London for a long time (maybe 6 years), can't speak for other cities, I don't in them, but London is kind of lame (nothing grass roots has come from here in 10 years -i.e. since grime) these days & I harbour desires to move to somewhere like Detroit.

demonrail666 · 01.11.2014, 05:59 PM

What London's losing is a viable social middleground, families mostly, the respectable working class, not willing to sacrifice living standards to the extent that young singles are, and obviously financially excluded from the more expensive, 'liveable' areas. From what I can see, gentrification hasn't driven out young creative types anywhere near as much as it has regular families, for whom a room in a houseshare simply isn't an option.

Toilet & Bowels · 01.11.2014, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by demonrail666

What London's losing is a viable social middleground, families mostly, the respectable working class, not willing to sacrifice living standards to the extent that young singles are, and obviously financially excluded from the more expensive, 'liveable' areas. From what I can see, gentrification hasn't driven out young creative types anywhere near as much as it has regular families, for whom a room in a houseshare simply isn't an option.

This is true but also a separate issue.

FUck Sonic YOuth

Toilet & Bowels · 01.11.2014, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels

FUck Sonic YOuth

Sorry about this bit, I got SYG-raped.

Nefeli · 01.12.2014, 05:17 AM

thank you for this article. its filled with interesting links as well.
like this
http://www.slate.com/articles/health..._thinking.html

EVOLghost · 01.12.2014, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels

FUck Sonic YOuth

hey fuck you buddy!

!@#$%! · 01.12.2014, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels

Sorry about this bit, I got SYG-raped.

don't be a tease! tell us teh full story

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Originally Posted by Nefeli

thank you for this article. its filled with interesting links as well.
like this
http://www.slate.com/articles/health..._thinking.html

that one is great and it has more & more links. i've been reading all morning. looks great! the overall conclusion seems to be to toughen up, and give the finger to rejection.

fine then. here it is, rejection:

i feel more creative.

ha!

but seriously… they're right.

floatingslowly · 01.12.2014, 04:57 PM

Austin used to be full of artists, hippies, and freaks. Now, it's 30-something Neo-techs who sport day-glo "Keep Austin Weird" t-shirts, as they retire to their high-rise luxury apartments, to dream of the next Twatter, FaceSpace, and Bazinga.

Bro-grammers.

!@#$%! · 01.12.2014, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels

& I harbour desires to move to somewhere like Detroit.

sure it's appealing, but the problem is you'd just be the bleeding edge of all the gentrification that's bound to follow. after the artists and musicians come the trendy restaurants and bars and the trustafarian hipsters and young architects and the enlightened lawyers who took literature in college, then the fashionable yuppies, then just the yuppies, and soon you're surrounded by the home renovation stores with $500 doorknobs, million dollar condos, starbucks that sell $16 cups of catshit coffee, and horrible neighbors with their servants (if they don't make you one of them).

i suppose a certain kind of nomadism is required, but it's always the same all story and that's the nightmare from which i'm trying to awake.

ilduclo · 01.12.2014, 06:33 PM

detroit

!@#$%! · 01.12.2014, 06:35 PM

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detroit

lolol. look at what i just posted above you.

Genteel Death · 03.04.2014, 06:11 PM

http://vanishingnewyork.blogspot.co....ification.html

SuchFriendsAreDangerous · 03.04.2014, 07:00 PM

This is true. in the 1980s and 1990s LA was broke, and yet was also a thriving capital of art, street art, and the performing arts. Murals, sculpture, architecture, all over the city. Bands and scenes were bulging. Galleries and exhibits were everywhere. THEN?? LA got money and the loft/big-box retail development took over. Increasingly everything in LA is starting to look the same. Murals? Bullshit. LA has a rigid signage ordinance which is used to persecute murals and public art. Galleries? Priced out of the neighborhoods. Interesting architecture? Replaced by the pastel box patterns which I'm calling "New Mexico look"..

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!@#$%! invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: mars attacks Posts: 42,564	good article-- we fled to the fucking farm so we don't have to work 3 jobs per person in order to afford our own projects every other saturday afternoon.
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Toilet & Bowels invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern Europe Posts: 12,268	I haven't read the article yet (I will, thanks for posting it) but I've been thinking this (what the thread title says) about London for a long time (maybe 6 years), can't speak for other cities, I don't in them, but London is kind of lame (nothing grass roots has come from here in 10 years -i.e. since grime) these days & I harbour desires to move to somewhere like Detroit.
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demonrail666 invito al cielo Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 18,510	What London's losing is a viable social middleground, families mostly, the respectable working class, not willing to sacrifice living standards to the extent that young singles are, and obviously financially excluded from the more expensive, 'liveable' areas. From what I can see, gentrification hasn't driven out young creative types anywhere near as much as it has regular families, for whom a room in a houseshare simply isn't an option.
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Nefeli invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,147,485,022	thank you for this article. its filled with interesting links as well. like this http://www.slate.com/articles/health..._thinking.html
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floatingslowly invito al cielo Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 21,165	Austin used to be full of artists, hippies, and freaks. Now, it's 30-something Neo-techs who sport day-glo "Keep Austin Weird" t-shirts, as they retire to their high-rise luxury apartments, to dream of the next Twatter, FaceSpace, and Bazinga. Bro-grammers.
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SuchFriendsAreDangerous invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: fucking Los Angeles Posts: 14,801	This is true. in the 1980s and 1990s LA was broke, and yet was also a thriving capital of art, street art, and the performing arts. Murals, sculpture, architecture, all over the city. Bands and scenes were bulging. Galleries and exhibits were everywhere. THEN?? LA got money and the loft/big-box retail development took over. Increasingly everything in LA is starting to look the same. Murals? Bullshit. LA has a rigid signage ordinance which is used to persecute murals and public art. Galleries? Priced out of the neighborhoods. Interesting architecture? Replaced by the pastel box patterns which I'm calling "New Mexico look".. __________________ Today Rap music is the Lakers
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