"Shake Dog Shake" influenced a Sonic Youth song?

Asim · 05.03.2007, 04:52 PM

Sorry if this doesn't really belong here!

The Cure song, I mean, one AMG reviewer said "Never thought there was a Cure song so extreme and on the edge that even Sonic Youth paid indirect tribute to it in one of their own songs? Think again."

Does anyone have an idea what song he was referring to? Maybe it was during a concert? I always thought the Fat Man & Co. had an influence on SY.

auto-aim · 05.03.2007, 06:51 PM

I dont know... but to be honest a lot of that album is pretty trippy - not so much shake dog shake - but I love stuff like bananafishbones, I think it is. my mind is somewhere else at the moment. A lot of afficianodos dont like the cure i think - which i think is dumb. That being said they're contemporaries too... its easy to think the cure are a much older band - but they're not really by that much.

CHOUT · 05.03.2007, 07:18 PM

Shake Dog Shake came out after Shaking Hell, if that's the song I assume they are alluding to.

ohfuchsia · 05.03.2007, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by CHOUT

Shake Dog Shake came out after Shaking Hell, if that's the song I assume they are alluding to.

sonic youth and the cure are my 2 favourite bands and i never noticed any similarity with shake dog shake and sonic youth... and o'd like to think i would know..hehe..what sonic song are they tlaking about? somethin post 1984 obviously..

Asim · 05.04.2007, 04:04 PM

Oh darn, I was thinking they might've referring to Shaking Hell. After all, the site makes a lot of mistakes.

thanks chout.

jetengine · 05.04.2007, 05:42 PM

"Hendrix Necro" off the 100% 12"/CD single. During the somewhat tumultuous middle section, Kim chants "Shake, dog shake" several times.

Smith and The Cure have definitely been influenced by Sonic Youth over the years, as well. The Wish album (1992), in particular, appealed to me as bearing quite a few earmarks of Sonic Youth and avant-noise/grunge in general. Also, both groups over the years have been given to veering off into the dark realm of goth on various albums--e.g., Seventeen Seconds, Faith, Pornography, Confusion Is Sex, much of EVOL and A Thousand Leaves, Blood Flowers, etc.

ohfuchsia · 05.05.2007, 04:52 AM

i read an interview where robert smith said he didn't like sonic youth (silly boy) so i'm not sure their influence on him. i don't think he hated them, the interviewer was just naming bands and he was saying yes or no. the quote "too clever" comes to mind but i can't remember whether that was in regards to the youth or REM.

Dues · 05.05.2007, 06:22 AM

It's actually off topic (has nothing to do with a Cure~SY connection), but the lyrics of Shaking Hell seem to drive back to the Shaker religion. That is, if we may believe Dan Graham:

My Religion, Extract from a work tape: Ann Lee

tasteinmen · 08.01.2008, 08:50 AM

i also thought the wish had some SY sounds in it, especially in the beginning of from the edge of the deep green sea

RanaldoNecro · 08.01.2008, 10:21 AM

IMHO, there is a connection between The Cure and SY. Its easy to dimiss them as later day pop band but the early stuff on Seventeen Seconds, 10:15 Saturday night really bears a resemblance to the 1982 debut.

Minimal bass, screetching guitars....bauhaus type vibe

Rob Instigator · 08.01.2008, 10:48 AM

"too clever" is what stupid people say when they don't get it

Rob Instigator · 08.01.2008, 10:48 AM

just like "You think too much."

noisereductions · 08.01.2008, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by RanaldoNecro

10:15 Saturday night really bears a resemblance to the 1982 debut.

Always thought the same!

SuperCreep · 08.01.2008, 11:26 AM

Errr...I can't possibly think what "indirect tribute" that reviewer is talking about. The only similarity I've ever made between is SY and The Cure is that I Dreamed I Dream sounds like it could be on Seventeen Seconds or Faith. Other than that, both bands couldn't be more different.

Bertrand · 08.01.2008, 11:43 AM

Connecting to the thread via the Shake element, I never saw much of The Cure in Sonic Youth and vice versa.

But it comes to Shaking Hell, a pal put some of his music in his car and one song clicked.

At 1'30" or so, the repetition of shake... shake... with a prolonged shhhhh and an abrupt ake made it impossible for me no to link that Sonic Youth track to KC & the Sunshine Band's Shake Your Booty :

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=vGjmDTvuNLM

And I mean it.

And I'd like the Youth to blend both songs together one day.
- Who am I to have hope for that?

RanaldoNecro · 08.01.2008, 08:00 PM

I always found a resemblance between Robert Smith & TV's Alice...

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=5kk067ZYt-A

She says golden..What does she mean?

05.03.2007, 04:52 PM	#1
Asim little trouble girl Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 51	Sorry if this doesn't really belong here! The Cure song, I mean, one AMG reviewer said "Never thought there was a Cure song so extreme and on the edge that even Sonic Youth paid indirect tribute to it in one of their own songs? Think again." Does anyone have an idea what song he was referring to? Maybe it was during a concert? I always thought the Fat Man & Co. had an influence on SY.
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05.03.2007, 06:51 PM	#2
auto-aim the destroyed room Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Wales Posts: 650	I dont know... but to be honest a lot of that album is pretty trippy - not so much shake dog shake - but I love stuff like bananafishbones, I think it is. my mind is somewhere else at the moment. A lot of afficianodos dont like the cure i think - which i think is dumb. That being said they're contemporaries too... its easy to think the cure are a much older band - but they're not really by that much. __________________ His Naked Torso
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05.03.2007, 07:18 PM	#3
CHOUT invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Minneapolis MN Posts: 3,128	Shake Dog Shake came out after Shaking Hell, if that's the song I assume they are alluding to. __________________ Chout's rare Sonic Youth vids: http://youtube.com/SONICchout
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05.04.2007, 04:04 PM	#5
Asim little trouble girl Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 51	Oh darn, I was thinking they might've referring to Shaking Hell. After all, the site makes a lot of mistakes. thanks chout.
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05.04.2007, 05:42 PM	#6
jetengine children of satan Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 399	"Hendrix Necro" off the 100% 12"/CD single. During the somewhat tumultuous middle section, Kim chants "Shake, dog shake" several times. Smith and The Cure have definitely been influenced by Sonic Youth over the years, as well. The Wish album (1992), in particular, appealed to me as bearing quite a few earmarks of Sonic Youth and avant-noise/grunge in general. Also, both groups over the years have been given to veering off into the dark realm of goth on various albums--e.g., Seventeen Seconds, Faith, Pornography, Confusion Is Sex, much of EVOL and A Thousand Leaves, Blood Flowers, etc.
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05.05.2007, 04:52 AM	#7
ohfuchsia little trouble girl Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 75	i read an interview where robert smith said he didn't like sonic youth (silly boy) so i'm not sure their influence on him. i don't think he hated them, the interviewer was just naming bands and he was saying yes or no. the quote "too clever" comes to mind but i can't remember whether that was in regards to the youth or REM.
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05.05.2007, 06:22 AM	#8
Dues little trouble girl Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 80	It's actually off topic (has nothing to do with a Cure~SY connection), but the lyrics of Shaking Hell seem to drive back to the Shaker religion. That is, if we may believe Dan Graham: My Religion, Extract from a work tape: Ann Lee __________________ The true test, after all, is to be like everyone else. Once that happens, he no longer has to question his singularity. He is free—not only of others, but of himself.
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08.01.2008, 08:50 AM	#9
tasteinmen bad moon rising Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 213	i also thought the wish had some SY sounds in it, especially in the beginning of from the edge of the deep green sea
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08.01.2008, 10:21 AM	#10
RanaldoNecro expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Eye Of The Squirrel Posts: 1,481	IMHO, there is a connection between The Cure and SY. Its easy to dimiss them as later day pop band but the early stuff on Seventeen Seconds, 10:15 Saturday night really bears a resemblance to the 1982 debut. Minimal bass, screetching guitars....bauhaus type vibe __________________ He is not Alone
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08.01.2008, 10:48 AM	#11
Rob Instigator invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the land of the Instigator Posts: 27,975	"too clever" is what stupid people say when they don't get it __________________ RXTT's Intellectual Journey - my new blog where I talk about all the books I read.
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08.01.2008, 10:48 AM	#12
Rob Instigator invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the land of the Instigator Posts: 27,975	just like "You think too much." __________________ RXTT's Intellectual Journey - my new blog where I talk about all the books I read.
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08.01.2008, 11:26 AM	#14
SuperCreep expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: brooklyn Posts: 2,281	Errr...I can't possibly think what "indirect tribute" that reviewer is talking about. The only similarity I've ever made between is SY and The Cure is that I Dreamed I Dream sounds like it could be on Seventeen Seconds or Faith. Other than that, both bands couldn't be more different. __________________
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08.01.2008, 11:43 AM	#15
Bertrand expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Rennes, France Posts: 1,267	Connecting to the thread via the Shake element, I never saw much of The Cure in Sonic Youth and vice versa. But it comes to Shaking Hell, a pal put some of his music in his car and one song clicked. At 1'30" or so, the repetition of shake... shake... with a prolonged shhhhh and an abrupt ake made it impossible for me no to link that Sonic Youth track to KC & the Sunshine Band's Shake Your Booty : http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=vGjmDTvuNLM And I mean it. And I'd like the Youth to blend both songs together one day. - Who am I to have hope for that?
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08.01.2008, 08:00 PM	#16
RanaldoNecro expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Eye Of The Squirrel Posts: 1,481	I always found a resemblance between Robert Smith & TV's Alice... http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=5kk067ZYt-A She says golden..What does she mean? __________________ He is not Alone
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