[cagedbird]

This is a support thread for all the owners of The Eternal on vinyl who must flip records three times to get through the entire album. I know it bothers me and if it bothers you, you are not alone. This triple interruption slows the progress of the experience and possibly stunts the flow of tracks from how it was originally intended to play. I feel your pain!

[StevOK]

Yeah, the same thing happens with my Merriweather Post Pavilion double LP. They have like what, three songs per side? They should consider making the albums a little shorter, perhaps.

[The Earl Of Slander]

I like the short sides. It gives the cool effect of each side being like an awesome maxi-single, a suite of great tracks.

[dionysusundone]

Albums are too long these days most of the time.

[infinitemusic]

I think it's interesting how much longer modern albums are compared to other ones. Like Funhouse has, what, seven songs? And White Light/White Heat only has six. That would never happen nowadays.

[The Earl Of Slander]

Originally Posted by infinitemusic

I think it's interesting how much longer modern albums are compared to other ones. Like Funhouse has, what, seven songs? And White Light/White Heat only has six. That would never happen nowadays.

Although to be fair, both of those have quite (or VERY) long songs. But yeah, the good old days of short and sweet albums is sorely missed. I mean like Pink Moon is one of my favourite albums partially because it's like just perfect and 28 minutes long, which really amplifies its impact I find. Same with, say, Paris 1919, which is like half an hour. I miss that conciseness.

[akprodr]

I think 25 minutes is about the max for vinyl, so 50 minutes for the two side. But CDs are 80 and I think a lot of people feel compelled to fill it up. So, ya need two vinyls to make up one CD. More for your money!

What is the track layout for The Eternal? Same as CD?

[infinitemusic]

Originally Posted by The Earl Of Slander

Although to be fair, both of those have quite (or VERY) long songs. But yeah, the good old days of short and sweet albums is sorely missed. I mean like Pink Moon is one of my favourite albums partially because it's like just perfect and 28 minutes long, which really amplifies its impact I find. Same with, say, Paris 1919, which is like half an hour. I miss that conciseness.

Yeah, I actually really like the shorter albums with fewer songs thing. I kinda got bored of the twelve 3 minute songs shtick.

[Rob Instigator]

you are crazy.

Get a stacker turntable. sonic youth have set it up so that if you stack both platters, so you hear side one and then side 3, it sounds like side one is ending (leaky lifeboat), and when side 3 drops it fades back in as if it was one continuous track!

the same thing happenes for side 2 and side 4, if you p,ay them on a stacker.

stop crying you big baby. the LP eternal rules all. you get 15 minutes a side, that is choice for enjoyment.

[reginald]

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

you are crazy.

Get a stacker turntable. sonic youth have set it up so that if you stack both platters, so you hear side one and then side 3, it sounds like side one is ending (leaky lifeboat), and when side 3 drops it fades back in as if it was one continuous track!

the same thing happenes for side 2 and side 4, if you p,ay them on a stacker.

stop crying you big baby. the LP eternal rules all. you get 15 minutes a side, that is choice for enjoyment.

Those record sides used to be 1 and 4, 2 and 3 so you could stack side 2 on top of side 1...see ? I haven't seen The Eternal on vinyl so maybe side 3 is actually side 2 ?

15 minutes a side is GREAT for fidelity. 25 minutes a side and your grooves are so small the music will sound like shit. I once had a Miles Davis record that had 29 minute sides and it was the worst sounding vinyl I'd ever heard.

Oh...and those who complain that a modern cd is SO EXPENSIVE.."so I download nearly EVERYTHING"...wait a minute ! In the glory days of vinyl, albums were about $6-$9 for ~ 35-40 minutes of music. Nowadays..cd's are 60-75 minutes many times...so factor in inflation and time...SHIT ! CD's are MUCH cheaper nowadays..I don't buy the "poor kid who can't afford cd's crapola"..that has contributed to the "album" and "cd" decline...

one of many articles about the 'standard' for today's listening and acquisition of music,



The albums' slow fade



The full-length album used to be king of the mountain. But now major labels are learning that shorter may be better.

EPs — originally extended-play "single" releases that are shorter than traditional albums — have long been popular with punk and indie bands. But some industry insiders predict that major-label acts will follow the lead of artists like Lady Gaga, who released "The Fame Monster" EP in November, and watched it soar.

Why? Consumers' buying habits are evolving faster than the arrival of the latest iTunes software upgrade, and the industry's big players are being forced to adapt.
Imagine a wonky world where Susan Boyle releases her music via digital-only singles while My Chemical Romance puts out three EPs in place of a full-length record. While U2, Green Day and others of their stature will likely stay strong on the full-length CD train, others — maybe T.I., Kelly Clarkson or the All American Rejects — might resort to releasing shorter records.
Those are just hypotheticals, but music-biz leaders noticed when "The Fame Monster" peaked on the Billboard charts at No. 5.
Surely, the full-length record isn't dead. But it's clearly ailing.
"If people want their music in a box, you don't give it to them in a suitcase," said Ryan Tedder, the Denver-based frontman for OneRepublic and a prominent pop songwriter and producer. "Some big artists will be putting out singles or EPs this coming year, and it's all about them trying to meet their fans where they're at."
The singles scene
Today's pop-music fans are more technologically savvy than ever. They know how to download singles — and whether they're paying or not is another issue. More important, many fans only want the single. They've sampled the record in its entirety on music sites like lala.com, and they're OK with owning only two songs off the album, even from their favorite artists.
The trend is as alarming for major labels as it is for the artists who call those labels home.

more....

http://www.denverpost.com/entertainm...082?source=pop

[Rob Instigator]

side 1 is 1, side 2 is 2 and so on. what I am saying is that they tracked it so the end fade out of side one sounds just like the fade in of side 3, and side 2 matches up with side 4 as well.

[beppie deux]

when i'm sober, those thinks do bother me, so i only play vinyls when i'm drunk or something, play em for what they're made for..

[Concrete Abutments]

I took each track on The Eternal and chopped the silences off the beginnings and ends so there's no stopping. THEN I rearranged the track order. It flows much better in the following order.

Thunderclap For Bobby Pyn
Anti-Orgasm
Antenna
What We Know
Poison Arrow
Sacred Trixster
No Way
Malibu Gas Station
Calming The Snake
Leaky Lifeboat
Walkin' Blue
Massage The History

[Chris Lawrence]

[DanielCarlson]

Originally Posted by Concrete Abutments

THEN I rearranged the track order. It flows much better in the following order.

Thunderclap For Bobby Pyn
Anti-Orgasm
Antenna
What We Know
Poison Arrow
Sacred Trixster
No Way
Malibu Gas Station
Calming The Snake
Leaky Lifeboat
Walkin' Blue
Massage The History

You can't start the album with Thunderclap! If that was the first song my expectations would be destroyed right away and I would turn the album off. Sacred Trixster is a great opener, Thunderclap is their worst song since Panty Lies.

I think I'll stick to the original order.

[Concrete Abutments]

Originally Posted by DanielCarlson

You can't start the album with Thunderclap! If that was the first song my expectations would be destroyed right away and I would turn the album off. Sacred Trixster is a great opener, Thunderclap is their worst song since Panty Lies.

I think I'll stick to the original order.

That's precisely why I put it first. Get it over with quickly. Sacred Trixster is fun in the middle. Plus, Thunderclap ends VERY abruptly which gives a KILLER segue into Anti-Orgasm with no gaps.

Keep the original order if you must but at least get rid of the silences inbetween songs. It firms everything up nice.

[Rob Instigator]

Originally Posted by DanielCarlson

You can't start the album with Thunderclap! If that was the first song my expectations would be destroyed right away and I would turn the album off. Sacred Trixster is a great opener, Thunderclap is their worst song since Panty Lies.

I think I'll stick to the original order.

Panty Lies rules!

[greedrex]

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

Panty Lies rules!

of course it does.
Some of you still don't UNDERSTAND.