Pavement ripped off the Fall

RockerNino · 04.20.2006, 02:47 PM

I read this off Wikipedia the other day.

The Fall's primary member, Mark E. Smith, would often angrily claim through the years that Pavement was a "rip-off" of his band [3] and that they didn't "have an original idea in their heads."

Does anyone know any songs that I could listen to that would support Smith's claim? Or is this just bullshit and Pavement sound completely original. I haven't heard much of the Fall so I couldn't judge.

Rob Instigator · 04.20.2006, 02:49 PM

the only songs that sound like the fall are off of slanted ad enchanted and westing by musket ane sextant, and then it is the slower ones, stuff like HERE and summer babe. fuck the FALL. FUCK THE FALL
they can eat a dead donkey's chancred asshole.

Sheriff Rhys Chatham · 04.20.2006, 02:55 PM

you fell on the pavment and got ripped?

Rob Instigator · 04.20.2006, 02:59 PM

the fall and pavement are two wholly different things. mightas well go around telling the world that every single band ripped off the beatles, and that metallica ripped off the misfits and that alice in chains ripped off megadeth and that sonic youth ripped off the velvet underground, etc etc.

fuck those whiny bitches from the fall.

Everyneurotic · 04.20.2006, 03:01 PM

summer babe? that one sounds more like my bloody valentine than the fall

listen to two states and conduit for sale

now, excuse me, i have to go burn my pavement records because they were such rip offs!!!

RockerNino · 04.20.2006, 03:04 PM

I mean. i dont agree or anything, but I just wanted someone to recommend me some Fall music that is reminiscent of Pavement or has similar sounds because it might be a good place to start to listen to the Fall.

etertiena · 04.20.2006, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Everyneurotic

summer babe? that one sounds more like my bloody valentine than the fall

listen to two states and conduit for sale

now, excuse me, i have to go burn my pavement records because they were such rip offs!!!

my bloody valentine?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!??!?!?!!?!?! ? not to be an ass, but you have to be kidding.

Everyneurotic · 04.20.2006, 03:08 PM

depends what pavement you know or like...

Everyneurotic · 04.20.2006, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by etertiena

my bloody valentine?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!??!?!?!!?!?! ? not to be an ass, but you have to be kidding.

ok, like slowdive or ride; i mean, that wall of guitars?

TheDom · 04.20.2006, 03:11 PM

Listen to New Face In Hell by The Fall and then Conduit For Sale! by Pavement. Then you will now why Mark talks shit about them

Dan · 04.20.2006, 03:29 PM

Malkmus' response from a Thurston Moore interview where he references the claim:

“Ripping them off? What does that mean, that I am getting rich sounding like them?”

hotbutterknives · 04.20.2006, 03:38 PM

but then again, malkmus himself did admit that when they started , he wanted to sound like the fall and all their early album covers looks almost identical as othe fall lps

Rob Instigator · 04.20.2006, 03:53 PM

hey, influence is influence, and a young band is going to wear theirs on their sleve, especially pavement which was just malkmus and spiral stairs for a while, then their drummer, Young. OF COURSE they sound like their idols. I mean, complaining about this is stupid and the dudes in thefall can eat it.

may as well call Polvo and Unwound rip-offs too for sounding like the GODS OF ROCK, SONIC YOUTH

HaydenAsche · 04.20.2006, 04:05 PM

I don't like the fall. I like pavement. I guess the rip-offs did it better.

the ikara cult · 04.20.2006, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDom

Listen to New Face In Hell by The Fall and then Conduit For Sale! by Pavement. Then you will now why Mark talks shit about them

Do it, they are one and the same.
I like pavement and the fall, the influence is only on the surface on Slanted and enchanted and bits of crooked rain, after that pavement found their own sound a bit. Indie-bitching is shit in the extreme.

Pavement are a nice band with nice songs, The Fall are a nasty band with nasty songs. Depending on how youre feeling, either can be better.

etertiena · 04.20.2006, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Everyneurotic

ok, like slowdive or ride; i mean, that wall of guitars?

well, yeah, theres distortion, but theres not really a WALL of guitars. i mean, of course i see what you mean, but mbv and slowdive went a lot further with that huuuge distorted sound.

noumenal · 04.20.2006, 04:41 PM

Both bands kick ass. Originality is overrated.

krastian · 04.20.2006, 10:22 PM

Everybody rips off everybody whether it is intentional or not.

dietzer123 · 04.20.2006, 10:31 PM

the only song i can think of there's that sounds like the fall seems like a tribute to them by adopting their style. they do it with a number of artists and it never seems like they're exploiting the artists talent as much as giving them a musical compliment

The 97th Hammer · 04.21.2006, 01:25 AM

I find a fair number of similarities between Pavement and The Fall esp. between both bands early records. I'd also say the same with The Swell Maps (Listen to "The Helicopter Spies"). I'll also admit it took me a while to see why Pavement were accused of ripping off The Fall. I loved Pavement a few years ago but now The Fall have so much more substance.

04.20.2006, 02:47 PM	#1
RockerNino bad moon rising Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Southern California Posts: 170	I read this off Wikipedia the other day. The Fall's primary member, Mark E. Smith, would often angrily claim through the years that Pavement was a "rip-off" of his band [3] and that they didn't "have an original idea in their heads." Does anyone know any songs that I could listen to that would support Smith's claim? Or is this just bullshit and Pavement sound completely original. I haven't heard much of the Fall so I couldn't judge.
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Rob Instigator invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the land of the Instigator Posts: 27,959	the only songs that sound like the fall are off of slanted ad enchanted and westing by musket ane sextant, and then it is the slower ones, stuff like HERE and summer babe. fuck the FALL. FUCK THE FALL they can eat a dead donkey's chancred asshole. __________________ RXTT's Intellectual Journey - my new blog where I talk about all the books I read.
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Sheriff Rhys Chatham invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New England. Posts: 4,027	you fell on the pavment and got ripped? __________________ My Music(grunge rock) A part of this blue shit since June 24th, 2004
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04.20.2006, 02:59 PM	#4
Rob Instigator invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the land of the Instigator Posts: 27,959	the fall and pavement are two wholly different things. mightas well go around telling the world that every single band ripped off the beatles, and that metallica ripped off the misfits and that alice in chains ripped off megadeth and that sonic youth ripped off the velvet underground, etc etc. fuck those whiny bitches from the fall. __________________ RXTT's Intellectual Journey - my new blog where I talk about all the books I read.
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Everyneurotic invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mexico Posts: 15,713	summer babe? that one sounds more like my bloody valentine than the fall listen to two states and conduit for sale now, excuse me, i have to go burn my pavement records because they were such rip offs!!! __________________ Richard Clayderman found alive and still bland! Repo Man has all night! Photographic evidence of Monosodic's existance! New Kiddieriot shit after all! Never too late to share fave rex from the year before! David Keenan is a douchebag! Ron Asheton missed!
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04.20.2006, 03:04 PM	#6
RockerNino bad moon rising Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Southern California Posts: 170	I mean. i dont agree or anything, but I just wanted someone to recommend me some Fall music that is reminiscent of Pavement or has similar sounds because it might be a good place to start to listen to the Fall.
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04.20.2006, 03:08 PM	#8
Everyneurotic invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mexico Posts: 15,713	depends what pavement you know or like... __________________ Richard Clayderman found alive and still bland! Repo Man has all night! Photographic evidence of Monosodic's existance! New Kiddieriot shit after all! Never too late to share fave rex from the year before! David Keenan is a douchebag! Ron Asheton missed!
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TheDom expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Nashville. Posts: 1,924	Listen to New Face In Hell by The Fall and then Conduit For Sale! by Pavement. Then you will now why Mark talks shit about them
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04.20.2006, 03:29 PM	#11
Dan bad moon rising Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 156	Malkmus' response from a Thurston Moore interview where he references the claim: “Ripping them off? What does that mean, that I am getting rich sounding like them?”
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04.20.2006, 03:38 PM	#12
hotbutterknives bad moon rising Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: MTL Posts: 146	but then again, malkmus himself did admit that when they started , he wanted to sound like the fall and all their early album covers looks almost identical as othe fall lps
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04.20.2006, 03:53 PM	#13
Rob Instigator invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the land of the Instigator Posts: 27,959	hey, influence is influence, and a young band is going to wear theirs on their sleve, especially pavement which was just malkmus and spiral stairs for a while, then their drummer, Young. OF COURSE they sound like their idols. I mean, complaining about this is stupid and the dudes in thefall can eat it. may as well call Polvo and Unwound rip-offs too for sounding like the GODS OF ROCK, SONIC YOUTH __________________ RXTT's Intellectual Journey - my new blog where I talk about all the books I read.
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HaydenAsche invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 10,755	I don't like the fall. I like pavement. I guess the rip-offs did it better. __________________ rip
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noumenal expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,855	Both bands kick ass. Originality is overrated.
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krastian invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Baltimore Posts: 7,808	Everybody rips off everybody whether it is intentional or not. __________________ Confusion is next and next after that is the Truth.
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dietzer123 stalker Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 419	the only song i can think of there's that sounds like the fall seems like a tribute to them by adopting their style. they do it with a number of artists and it never seems like they're exploiting the artists talent as much as giving them a musical compliment __________________ I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your fuckin' mouth.-bill hicks
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The 97th Hammer bad moon rising Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Iowa City Posts: 133	I find a fair number of similarities between Pavement and The Fall esp. between both bands early records. I'd also say the same with The Swell Maps (Listen to "The Helicopter Spies"). I'll also admit it took me a while to see why Pavement were accused of ripping off The Fall. I loved Pavement a few years ago but now The Fall have so much more substance.
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