NYC Ghosts & Flowers Does Not Suck!

avantgarde1 · 11.09.2007, 07:40 PM

so i kinda get the hint that alot of people don't really like that album. i gotta say it's one of my favorites. to be honest i'm not really crazy about much stuff before EVOL, cept for the self titled record. i'm probably gonna get shit for that statement, but imma stand by it. so what do you kind sir's & ma'am's think?

Dead-Air · 11.10.2007, 12:51 AM

You'll find that most people on this board are Sonic Youth fans and love NYC G&F. It is certainly SY's worst selling Geffen album, and those sages at Pitchfork gave it one star, but if everybody "got" what Sonic Youth do, then it wouldn't be the world we live in. Perhaps it would be a better place, or maybe actually less interesting, I'm not sure.

I'd put NYC G&G tied with Washing Machine and Nurse for my fave Geffen albums. All three are among my all time favorites, though quite a few notches down from Bad Moon Rising, which is really the band's ultimate musical statement.

SYRFox · 11.10.2007, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Dead-Air

You'll find that most people on this board are Sonic Youth fans and love NYC G&F. It is certainly SY's worst selling Geffen album, and those sages at Pitchfork gave it one star, but if everybody "got" what Sonic Youth do, then it wouldn't be the world we live in. Perhaps it would be a better place, or maybe actually less interesting, I'm not sure.

I'd put NYC G&G tied with Washing Machine and Nurse for my fave Geffen albums. All three are among my all time favorites, though quite a few notches down from Bad Moon Rising, which is really the band's ultimate musical statement.

Totally agreed (except that NYC Ghosts & Flowers is definitively my favorite Geffen album, also with Sonic Nurse, Washing Machine, and I'd had A Thousand Leaves too, but NYC G&F is far better in my opinion)

ZEROpumpkins · 11.10.2007, 12:59 AM

Yeah man, I agree with you

atsonicpark · 11.10.2007, 09:42 AM

I think almost everyone ranks it amongst their best "after-Goo" work

Dead-Air · 11.10.2007, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by atsonicpark

I think almost everyone ranks it amongst their best "after-Goo" work

Everyone here anyway. It's also the album that most of the world just didn't notice. Even my wife was hitting me with the old, "They haven't done anything good in years" line until I made her actually listen to it, and now it's one of her all time favorites.

racehorse · 11.10.2007, 12:30 PM

yeah, sometimes it is my favourite album although it's far from perfect. i find small flowers crack concrete to be basically unlistenable.

h8kurdt · 11.10.2007, 12:56 PM

Yes it does.

PAULYBEE2656 · 11.10.2007, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by atsonicpark

I think almost everyone ranks it amongst their best "after-Goo" work

wouldnt strictly agree on that point but i love nyc g&f. small flowers is a great song too. the only down point on the album i think is lightning.........

Chris Lawrence · 11.10.2007, 03:34 PM

i was disappointed with the finished product compared to the great early (bumbershoot/knitting factory) performances of the songs, i just couldn't believe they took such dark, broken songs and made them so .. futuristic. but years later i can appreciate that it's a good record. the best of their post-goo work? not by a loooooong shot.

nicfit · 11.10.2007, 03:39 PM

I can't stress enough how much I adore this album and NYC G&F (the song) live is the best thing I've ever seen live till now. ha!

Torn Curtain · 11.10.2007, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by avantgarde1

to be honest i'm not really crazy about much stuff before EVOL, cept for the self titled record. i'm probably gonna get shit for that statement, but imma stand by it.

You're not alone (I'm not a big a fan of Confusion is sex/Kill your idols and Bad moon rising while I really like the S/T).

Torn Curtain · 11.10.2007, 04:21 PM

Regarding NYCG&F the album I hated at first (except for the title track). I should give it new listens (as I haven't listened to the album enough for it to grow on me).

Torn Curtain · 11.10.2007, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Dead-Air

those sages at Pitchfork gave it one star

They gave it a zero

, and to be honest after my first listen I would nearly have agreed with them...

atsonicpark · 11.10.2007, 05:41 PM

When did I say it was their best work after Goo? I said it was AMONGST their best. As in, a group of albums that are really great that it happens to be apart of. A Thousand Leaves has it beaten! That album is their crowning achievement of the past decade and a half.

Chris Lawrence · 11.10.2007, 07:33 PM

see, and its only lately that i've been able to appreciate 'a thousand leaves' despite all of the ways they fucked up the songs in the studio vs the fantaaastic live versions. maybe one of the reasons i liked 'nurse' so much is cuz i stayed away from live versions of the songs prior to its release, and effectively had a whole new album the day it arrived on my doorstep.

at least they got it right w/ 'murray street'. hopefully one day they finish that album!

avantgarde1 · 11.10.2007, 07:55 PM

huh... and i was under the impression that nobody really liked this album. well fucking a!

Dead-Air · 11.10.2007, 08:05 PM

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huh... and i was under the impression that nobody really liked this album. well fucking a!

I think the title track is Lee's crowning achievement in the band.

avantgarde1 · 11.10.2007, 08:20 PM

i think it's a tie between nyc ghosts & flowers and mote... then again lee can do no wrong in my book, i always whish he'd have more songs on their albums.

atsonicpark · 11.10.2007, 08:25 PM

on the old board, nyc ghosts and flowers the song won "Best sonic youth song of all time"...

11.09.2007, 07:40 PM	#1
avantgarde1 the end of the ugly Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 968	so i kinda get the hint that alot of people don't really like that album. i gotta say it's one of my favorites. to be honest i'm not really crazy about much stuff before EVOL, cept for the self titled record. i'm probably gonna get shit for that statement, but imma stand by it. so what do you kind sir's & ma'am's think? __________________ aka ZEROpumpkins
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11.10.2007, 12:51 AM	#2
Dead-Air invito al cielo Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Portland OR Posts: 4,300	You'll find that most people on this board are Sonic Youth fans and love NYC G&F. It is certainly SY's worst selling Geffen album, and those sages at Pitchfork gave it one star, but if everybody "got" what Sonic Youth do, then it wouldn't be the world we live in. Perhaps it would be a better place, or maybe actually less interesting, I'm not sure. I'd put NYC G&G tied with Washing Machine and Nurse for my fave Geffen albums. All three are among my all time favorites, though quite a few notches down from Bad Moon Rising, which is really the band's ultimate musical statement. __________________ FuckBook; My Band; My Radio Show; My Flickr Page; Science Fiction Message Board
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atsonicpark invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 28,843	I think almost everyone ranks it amongst their best "after-Goo" work __________________
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11.10.2007, 12:30 PM	#7
racehorse 100% Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 784	yeah, sometimes it is my favourite album although it's far from perfect. i find small flowers crack concrete to be basically unlistenable. __________________ She holds the room up by talk alone
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h8kurdt invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In Mulder's Basement room Posts: 5,459	Yes it does. __________________ Down with this sort of thing.
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11.10.2007, 03:34 PM	#10
Chris Lawrence Moderator Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: southwest canada Posts: 1,890	i was disappointed with the finished product compared to the great early (bumbershoot/knitting factory) performances of the songs, i just couldn't believe they took such dark, broken songs and made them so .. futuristic. but years later i can appreciate that it's a good record. the best of their post-goo work? not by a loooooong shot. __________________ http://www.sonicyouth.com/mustang // original folk blues ... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .i'm the boy that can enjoy invisibility. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
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11.10.2007, 03:39 PM	#11
nicfit invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: banana boat Posts: 15,570	I can't stress enough how much I adore this album and NYC G&F (the song) live is the best thing I've ever seen live till now. ha! __________________ 11:11 11-11-11 I Ascended.
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11.10.2007, 04:21 PM	#13
Torn Curtain invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: France Posts: 7,997	Regarding NYCG&F the album I hated at first (except for the title track). I should give it new listens (as I haven't listened to the album enough for it to grow on me).
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11.10.2007, 05:41 PM	#15
atsonicpark invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 28,843	When did I say it was their best work after Goo? I said it was AMONGST their best. As in, a group of albums that are really great that it happens to be apart of. A Thousand Leaves has it beaten! That album is their crowning achievement of the past decade and a half. __________________
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11.10.2007, 07:33 PM	#16
Chris Lawrence Moderator Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: southwest canada Posts: 1,890	see, and its only lately that i've been able to appreciate 'a thousand leaves' despite all of the ways they fucked up the songs in the studio vs the fantaaastic live versions. maybe one of the reasons i liked 'nurse' so much is cuz i stayed away from live versions of the songs prior to its release, and effectively had a whole new album the day it arrived on my doorstep. at least they got it right w/ 'murray street'. hopefully one day they finish that album! __________________ http://www.sonicyouth.com/mustang // original folk blues ... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .i'm the boy that can enjoy invisibility. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
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11.10.2007, 07:55 PM	#17
avantgarde1 the end of the ugly Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 968	huh... and i was under the impression that nobody really liked this album. well fucking a! __________________ aka ZEROpumpkins
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11.10.2007, 08:20 PM	#19
avantgarde1 the end of the ugly Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 968	i think it's a tie between nyc ghosts & flowers and mote... then again lee can do no wrong in my book, i always whish he'd have more songs on their albums. __________________ aka ZEROpumpkins
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11.10.2007, 08:25 PM	#20
atsonicpark invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 28,843	on the old board, nyc ghosts and flowers the song won "Best sonic youth song of all time"... __________________
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