[MellySingsDoom]

Anyone seen this:

http://education.guardian.co.uk/high...091498,00.html

My views - haven't the stupid cunts who voted for this got anything better to do? Jesus fucking wept...

[!@#$%!]

it's a pity, israeli universities are where the most progressive minds in the country are. boycott them and you're boycotting perhaps the greatest force for peace in the country.

[demonrail666]

Originally Posted by MellySingsDoom

haven't the stupid cunts who voted for this got anything better to do? Jesus fucking wept...

Yes we have. My solution? Timetable lots of Mel Brooks films for next semester.

[MellySingsDoom]

Originally Posted by demonrail666

Yes we have. My solution? Timetable lots of Mel Brooks films for next semester.

Oy!

[pantophobia]

this seems very familiar to the last thread that brought up jews and british education system

the thing i am wondering with this if there is a supposed fear of zionism and appeasement of the growing muslim population, i mean previous it was not even acknowledging the holocaust

although i get the argument they say, i don't like the way Ariel Sharon and Ehud Olmert has been handling their country, i'd think just saying that you condemn their government for how they handle things is fine, it's crossing the line though when you start boycotting an educational institution

[fugazifan]

Originally Posted by pantophobia

this seems very familiar to the last thread that brought up jews and british education system

the thing i am wondering with this if there is a supposed fear of zionism and appeasement of the growing muslim population, i mean previous it was not even acknowledging the holocaust

although i get the argument they say, i don't like the way Ariel Sharon and Ehud Olmert has been handling their country, i'd think just saying that you condemn their government for how they handle things is fine, it's crossing the line though when you start boycotting an educational institution

i dont know if i would say "the most progessive minds in the country" study at israeli unis. a lotm of them are full of shit. and often chose causes simply to fight something.
but i see what he meant.
adn about our leaders, i definatly agree that AS and EO dont know how to run the country. the proble is there has not been one leader here who has done a good job. and our governtment is so full of corruption that leeft, right , center, everybody is so completely disillutioned by the current state f affairs that apathy toward anything political has become the satus quo.
next election im going to fullfill my civil duties, maybe vote for the legalize pot, or the arab party. not because i belive in them, but because i have so little faith in everybody else that runs this place, that they are the last choice...
its a bummer...

[Everyneurotic]

Originally Posted by pantophobia

...

although i get the argument they say, i don't like the way Ariel Sharon and Ehud Olmert has been handling their country, i'd think just saying that you condemn their government for how they handle things is fine, it's crossing the line though when you start boycotting an educational institution

i fully agree, with this.

i can't say i'm surprised, especially since how legal and outspoken far right parties are in britain.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by Everyneurotic

i fully agree, with this.

i can't say i'm surprised, especially since how legal and outspoken far right parties are in britain.

is this a move by the far right, or the left, though?

don't kid yourself about extreme political parties in israel also-- shas isn't exactly mainstream, and yet they wield inordinate power.

fugazifan -- i was in israel when rabin was shot. most pro-peace people i met (writers, artists, filmmakers, etc) were associated with tel aviv university. not sure how it's in jerusalem-- i'd be scared to live in jerusalem, actually.

[Everyneurotic]

i'm well aware of israel political parties.

and yes, both far left and right suck. actually it's democracy that's shit, that's where my political beef lies.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by Everyneurotic

i'm well aware of israel political parties.

and yes, both far left and right suck. actually it's democracy that's shit, that's where my political beef lies.

oh, democracy beats any other kind of organization. all government is a sham, but some are worse than others. i've seen dictatorships, and rule by committee-- give me democracy any time. it just sucks less.

Originally Posted by Everyneurotic

i'm well aware of israel political parties.

and yes, both far left and right suck. actually it's democracy that's shit, that's where my political beef lies.

That's such a good thing that you've said, it goes beyond the school policy of repping you. I went to a good catholic school, with the mind of someone who thinks that schools are rubbish wether they are catholic or jewish, muslim or whatever. This is not to say that education is bad, quite the opposite, but religion-lead schools don't teach you much that can't be self-taught by oneself. This happens unless you go into specific skills, and yes, artistic skills are learned through procedures that are tormenting and require hard work, jewish, catholic, muslim or not.

[Everyneurotic]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

oh, democracy beats any other kind of organization. all government is a sham, but some are worse than others. i've seen dictatorships, and rule by committee-- give me democracy any time. it just sucks less.

that's exactly the attitude that allows all this to happen.

the problem is, we're using the lesser worse form of government thought of and started how many hundred years now?

the thing is, since people in power are too content with how bendable and corruptable democracy is, they haven't allowed any other thoughts of other government models to develope.

and one that sucks less is actually anarchy, when governement is not concentrated in one person; the two problems with anarchy is that it's only good for a transitional period and not as a definite form of government and that they had to spoil anarchy too and splinter it into a hundred and one formns of it derived from other forms of government (mostly, obsolete ones like democracy and comunism/socialism).

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by Everyneurotic

that's exactly the attitude that allows all this to happen.

the problem is, we're using the lesser worse form of government thought of and started how many hundred years now?

the thing is, since people in power are too content with how bendable and corruptable democracy is, they haven't allowed any other thoughts of other government models to develope.

and one that sucks less is actually anarchy, when governement is not concentrated in one person; the two problems with anarchy is that it's only good for a transitional period and not as a definite form of government and that they had to spoil anarchy too and splinter it into a hundred and one formns of it derived from other forms of government (mostly, obsolete ones like democracy and comunism/socialism).

oh no no no. i didn't allow this to happen. i'm for participatory democracy and i've always participated when given a chance. i don't just sit there ignoring everything.

see with democracy you always have recourse-- with tyrannies you have none, unless you bend over to the will of the great tyrant. oh man you need to live under a dictatorship to fully appreciate democracy, flaws and all.

the problem with anarchy is that eventually it devolves into tyranny, because a power block develops & swallows it all. anarchies generally don't splinter-- if they do it's temporary until some kind of strongman takes over.

apathy is the problem. hands in pockets are the problem. doing nothing because "all is fucked up" is what allows this to happen.

[Danny Himself]

 

[Everyneurotic]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

oh no no no. i didn't allow this to happen. i'm for participatory democracy and i've always participated when given a chance. i don't just sit there ignoring everything.

see with democracy you always have recourse-- with tyrannies you have none, unless you bend over to the will of the great tyrant. oh man you need to live under a dictatorship to fully appreciate democracy, flaws and all.

the problem with anarchy is that eventually it devolves into tyranny, because a power block develops & swallows it all. anarchies generally don't splinter-- if they do it's temporary until some kind of strongman takes over.

apathy is the problem. hands in pockets are the problem. doing nothing because "all is fucked up" is what allows this to happen.

but democracy was flawed from the beginning as only in name it is "the people's governments", it was made so only an elite of people could vote.

actually, the best thing you can do with democracy is to null votes since another major flaw of democracy is that abstinence is not taken into account when counting the votes. when abstinence happens, it should be counted to say that there's a segment of the voters that don't believe in any opposition. of course, the people in power make them see abstinence as a sign of laziness and apathy (sure, some people don't vote because of this). the reality is that the voters mostly don't have the motivation (none of the candidates speak to them) to go out and vote.

of course, i don't advocate tyranny and dictatorship, that's like the worse that can happen, and yes, you are right that democracy is the lesser of all evils. but still, it's mediocre to not have a government that lets us be at our fullest.

anarchy got splintered idologically, with some people leaning to the right and left and everywhere imaginable, divided and conquered. sure, true anarchism is as utopian as socialism and comunism, that's why i said it's a transitional form, but at least it nullifies the power struggle and the cult of personality that comes with being the leader of a country. it spreads the power so it seizes to be a popularity contest.

while anarchy is best of all, even it is a transitional form of government, bottom line is, new ways of government should have bend/should be developed.

[!@#$%!]

okay, but still there's no excuse for having the ideological heirs of menachem begin still in power.

[Everyneurotic]

oh man, israeli government in the last, say, ten years has been awful.

the last one that was any good was netanyahu, and he wasn't that good.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by Everyneurotic

oh man, israeli government in the last, say, ten years has been awful.

the last one that was any good was netanyahu, and he wasn't that good.

oh netanyahu was a fucking stupid pig, no, no, he was a fucking furniture salesman crook.

the last good one was rabin but he got killed. and then i had hopes for whats his name, the other labor dude-- barak-- but he fucked it.

[Everyneurotic]

netanyahu was like clinton. his only good policy was to delay everything that was needed to do.

barak was a moron.

and rabin, while being rather good for the most part, was being very feeble, especially in his last year in power.

it's rather sad that he got killed for way less than what has been done in israel ever since, though.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by Everyneurotic

netanyahu was like clinton. his only good policy was to delay everything that was needed to do.

barak was a moron.

and rabin, while being rather good for the most part, was being very feeble, especially in his last year in power.

it's rather sad that he got killed for way less than what has been done in israel ever since, though.

rabin, i heard him drank on the radio once. but he could have made peace with the palestinians. peres was too much of a wuss to do anything-- the day of his election he played chess with a chess master and of course he lost-- the match and the election.

barak was not a moron, he's really a brilliant guy, but i think he wasn't ready for the post.

netanyahu was a fucking demagogue pig and i blame him for the terrorism of the far right, he gave those fringes legitimacy and fanned the flames.