attn vinyl whores: recommend me a good turntable under $300

!@#$%! · 12.17.2007, 12:08 AM

my current turntable is an audio-technica which served its introductory purposes but now needs replacement. it was this one

i'm thinking of something under $300 so i can fill in the rest of the budget with a usb transducer (so i can quickly record stuff) for about $30, a new record cleaner + solution (currently using some "peaches" crap i picked up @ goodwill for $1), and some assorted shit like .

>> i'm currently oggling this

& the upgrades are a good value. with the extra crap i'm buying adds up to $292 plus shipping

some other day i'll get this:

but definitely not today.

i'm sort of against getting "vintage" tts that need parts, repair, hard to find cartridges, and are generally like having an extra high maintenance pet, though i might consider something workable if cartridges are easily available, etc.

opinions? suggestions?

thanks!

ps- i like lpgear and their modded turntables, their whole selection can be seen here

SpectralJulianIsNotDead · 12.17.2007, 12:18 AM

If you're receiver has an RCA out you don't need a USB thingy. You can just get an RCA to 1/8" converter cable and plug it into your sound card's line in. (Or your motherboard's if you have onboard sound like me.)

That said if I'm in that price range I'd get a Technics 1200, or scout around for 2 used ones. They are the only good turn tables that I'm really familiar with though. I love them. Wish I had one. (I used them when I was a radio DJ.)

terminal pharmacy · 12.17.2007, 12:23 AM

technics sl1200 is a solid work horse i would reccomend that.

!@#$%! · 12.17.2007, 12:27 AM

ooh...

those start at $500 and up though. would a use one require repair? tonearm replacements? and how much are cartridges? oh i can look that up. hm....

julian - i like the usb transducer because i can skip the pathetic audio card on my laptop, and capture seems to be smoother w/ usb devices. though i've done this before straight to soundcard-- it's just a lazyness thing.

Cantankerous · 12.17.2007, 12:29 AM

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-PSLX250H-.../dp/B00005T3XH

for $100 you can't go wrong

!@#$%! · 12.17.2007, 12:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cantankerous

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-PSLX250H-.../dp/B00005T3XH

for $100 you can't go wrong

yeah, i'm not looking for a total entry level thing, i HAVE something like that. i'm looking to improve the quality a bit that is all--

not $550 worth of improvement (that's the cheapest sl1200 i've found so far, there's one for $200 on ebay but 45rpm doesn't work).

i just want something around $250-$300 because that's the money i have for it.

Cantankerous · 12.17.2007, 12:42 AM

oh okay

█████████ · 12.17.2007, 04:17 AM

that model looks ok.

the sl 1200 is still the industry reference model. there are thousands of models like it, go to your local store and you will probably find one.

i've tried this img djp-202 model it was good and it was like €180.

speeds: 33 & 45
pitch control: +/- 10
torque: 1.2 kg
platter: aluminium
tone arm:
effective length 230mm
overhang 15.2 mm
tracking error
-inner groove 2º32'
-outer groove 0º32'
offset angle 22º
vertical friction 7mg

SpectralJulianIsNotDead · 12.17.2007, 04:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

yeah, i'm not looking for a total entry level thing, i HAVE something like that. i'm looking to improve the quality a bit that is all--

not $550 worth of improvement (that's the cheapest sl1200 i've found so far, there's one for $200 on ebay but 45rpm doesn't work).

i just want something around $250-$300 because that's the money i have for it.

Patience is the name of the game on Ebay. You could definitely get one in good condition for 200 bucks. Maybe even cheaper.

They are generally very reliable and hold up for years, so buying them used isn't a big deal. Just make sure to ask the seller questions and try to find one in "good condition" or "near mint" or "like new"

and as orange blur said, other companies make models based off of it. Direct drive tables are sooooo nice. Everything about them.

!@#$%! · 12.17.2007, 11:50 AM

thanks jico -- yeah i think that audio-technica i'm looking at it's a copy of the technics-- i admit it's not going to be as good but the turntable itself is $180 new at this store. in other places it retails for around $250. the change from $180 to $230 is because they add a thick mat to isolate the vibrations from the motor (a problem w/ some dd turntables), some shit to level the thing ("protractor?") and more importantly, a cartridge. so it's a pretty good value.

julian -- patience? what is that? ha ha ha. i need something now... i really much rather deal with a new turntable though. if you look at the one i'm considering, it IS a direct drive and it looks like a ripoff of the technics... cheaper of course. but having it new & soon is a big plus.

see?

some specs (from the manual):
Turntable Specifications
Type 3-Speed, fully manual operation
Motor DC motor
Drive Method Direct drive
Speeds 33-1/3 RPM, 45 RPM, 78 RPM
Pitch Variation +/- 10% or +/- 20%
Turntable Platter Die-cast aluminum
Starting Torque >1.6 kgm-cm
Braking System Electronic brake
Wow and Flutter < 0.2% WRMS (33 RPM)
Signal-to-Noise Ratio > 50 dB
Output Level
Pre-amp “Off” 2.5 mV nominal at 1 KHz, 5 cm/sec
Pre-amp “On” 200 mV nominal at 1 KHz, 5 cm/sec

their upgraded stylus (costs $50 alone) is a "hyperelliptical diamond stylus" ("hyper" elliptical?).

maybe later i'll get the $600 i need for a new technics.

now, the thing is, doesn't direct drive supposedly pick up the vibrations from the motor? while DD is great for DJing, isn't a good belt drive better for listening?

now the next one up is this denon w/ belt drive that comes with an eliptical cartrige and i might be pushed to do $330... if it would be significantly better.

I MISS BRICK & MORTAR STORES.

!@#$%! · 12.17.2007, 06:26 PM

where's gmku when one needs him?

--

i'm looking at this now. hm....

http://www.musicdirect.com/product/72052

comes in cool colors:

Savage Clone · 12.17.2007, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

now, the thing is, doesn't direct drive supposedly pick up the vibrations from the motor? while DD is great for DJing, isn't a good belt drive better for listening?

Direct drive turntables aren't as good for sound, it's true. I like them because they're more bulletproof (the good ones, anyway; those Numark ones look good and work OK, but they're not built like tanks).
For me, the heavier the better, just so the needle doesn't jump if you step on the floor too hard and nonsense like that.
I have a Panasonic SL-1100 (the precursor to the Tec 12) that I bought used for a hundred bucks and I love it. My bandmate runs a very high-end audio company and he told me that if I upgrade the tonearm, I could have a competitive audiophile turnable. Nice to know. I'll definitely enlist his aid when the time comes.

cryptowonderdruginvogue · 12.17.2007, 07:02 PM

i'll sell you a pair of technics SL-1200MK5s for 500$

✌➬ · 12.17.2007, 07:04 PM

Crypto it is 300 or less.

cryptowonderdruginvogue · 12.17.2007, 07:33 PM

not a pair

!@#$%! · 12.17.2007, 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Savage Clone

Direct drive turntables aren't as good for sound, it's true. I like them because they're more bulletproof (the good ones, anyway; those Numark ones look good and work OK, but they're not built like tanks).
For me, the heavier the better, just so the needle doesn't jump if you step on the floor too hard and nonsense like that.
I have a Panasonic SL-1100 (the precursor to the Tec 12) that I bought used for a hundred bucks and I love it. My bandmate runs a very high-end audio company and he told me that if I upgrade the tonearm, I could have a competitive audiophile turnable. Nice to know. I'll definitely enlist his aid when the time comes.

oh yeah the fucking floor... i'm installing a wall shelf.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cryptowonderdruginvogue

i'll sell you a pair of technics SL-1200MK5s for 500$

ah, no thanks man, appreciate the offer, but a) i just want one b) i'm strongly leaning towards a belt drive c) i'd rather buy new, not used-- i want a good warranty in case of any problems.

Quote:

Originally Posted by hypertonic

yeah definately reccommend Technics 1200's. There are fucking tanks. Still simple, easy to find parts, ect... Usually you can get a pair for 500 to 600, so you should be able to find one under 300 pretty easy...

and.... since most DJ's that play vinyl want Techs, they hold their resale value.... just in case

hm... well i really don't need a "tank". i'm not going to be moving that turntable anywhere.

the other problem with used as i see, is that being 1200s they'll be preused by djs, which means they'll be more worn out than an old thai whore. nah, i'll rather save $600 for a new 1200 when the time comes. or i might look into something else actually-- there's some sweet stuff for that price.

cryptowonderdruginvogue · 12.17.2007, 10:19 PM

i bought mine new and have only been used 6-8 times

gmku · 12.18.2007, 12:37 AM

I have to admit I'm not a huge audiophile or anything, but I'd recommend some kind of belt drive. Even lower end models are quieter, and there's less to break, usually just a belt to replace.

If you have the dough, invest in the best cartridge you can. Check out Grados if you can find them. They make any turntable sound superb.

I always advise having a good audio technician install the cartridge, by the way, unless just a simple plug-in kind. If they screw into a head shell, though, they need to aligned just right.

I'm envious! Turntable shopping. What I wouldn't give...

!@#$%! · 12.18.2007, 01:54 AM

crypto-- thanks man it's a good buy but i really can't. maybe someone can buy them both & resell for a profit-- i would if i have time-- but then how could i spend endless hours here? but thanks for offering, really, i do appreciate the opportunity.

Quote:

Originally Posted by gmku

I have to admit I'm not a huge audiophile or anything, but I'd recommend some kind of belt drive. Even lower end models are quieter, and there's less to break, usually just a belt to replace.

If you have the dough, invest in the best cartridge you can. Check out Grados if you can find them. They make any turntable sound superb.

I always advise having a good audio technician install the cartridge, by the way, unless just a simple plug-in kind. If they screw into a head shell, though, they need to aligned just right.

I'm envious! Turntable shopping. What I wouldn't give...

thanks for that note; btw you know why i'm "turntable shopping"? i got tired of the automatic button in my turntable. went to play a record the other day & the stylus was buried in the mat, broken to pieces. yeah, kjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj. the cat might be the culprit. besides, it's not so great sounding, but for a cheap piece of $99 plastic it hasn't been bad.

that and i have to "expense" any business earnings before the 31

i have a long list of things...

!@#$%! · 12.19.2007, 11:47 AM

well it looks like i've settled for now

pro-ject debut III, in red, w/ ortofon OM5 cartridge (included)

12.17.2007, 12:08 AM	#1
!@#$%! invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: mars attacks Posts: 42,581	my current turntable is an audio-technica which served its introductory purposes but now needs replacement. it was this one i'm thinking of something under $300 so i can fill in the rest of the budget with a usb transducer (so i can quickly record stuff) for about $30, a new record cleaner + solution (currently using some "peaches" crap i picked up @ goodwill for $1), and some assorted shit like . >> i'm currently oggling this & the upgrades are a good value. with the extra crap i'm buying adds up to $292 plus shipping some other day i'll get this: but definitely not today. i'm sort of against getting "vintage" tts that need parts, repair, hard to find cartridges, and are generally like having an extra high maintenance pet, though i might consider something workable if cartridges are easily available, etc. opinions? suggestions? thanks! ps- i like lpgear and their modded turntables, their whole selection can be seen here
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12.17.2007, 12:18 AM	#2
SpectralJulianIsNotDead invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 7,409	If you're receiver has an RCA out you don't need a USB thingy. You can just get an RCA to 1/8" converter cable and plug it into your sound card's line in. (Or your motherboard's if you have onboard sound like me.) That said if I'm in that price range I'd get a Technics 1200, or scout around for 2 used ones. They are the only good turn tables that I'm really familiar with though. I love them. Wish I had one. (I used them when I was a radio DJ.)
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12.17.2007, 12:23 AM	#3
terminal pharmacy invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Australia Posts: 3,358	technics sl1200 is a solid work horse i would reccomend that.
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12.17.2007, 12:27 AM	#4
!@#$%! invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: mars attacks Posts: 42,581	ooh... those start at $500 and up though. would a use one require repair? tonearm replacements? and how much are cartridges? oh i can look that up. hm.... julian - i like the usb transducer because i can skip the pathetic audio card on my laptop, and capture seems to be smoother w/ usb devices. though i've done this before straight to soundcard-- it's just a lazyness thing.
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12.17.2007, 12:29 AM	#5
Cantankerous invito al cielo Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: A RETIREMENT HOME Posts: 18,499	http://www.amazon.com/Sony-PSLX250H-.../dp/B00005T3XH for $100 you can't go wrong
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12.17.2007, 12:42 AM	#7
Cantankerous invito al cielo Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: A RETIREMENT HOME Posts: 18,499	oh okay
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12.17.2007, 04:17 AM	#8
█████████ expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1,736	that model looks ok. the sl 1200 is still the industry reference model. there are thousands of models like it, go to your local store and you will probably find one. i've tried this img djp-202 model it was good and it was like €180. speeds: 33 & 45 pitch control: +/- 10 torque: 1.2 kg platter: aluminium tone arm: effective length 230mm overhang 15.2 mm tracking error -inner groove 2º32' -outer groove 0º32' offset angle 22º vertical friction 7mg
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12.17.2007, 11:50 AM	#10
!@#$%! invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: mars attacks Posts: 42,581	thanks jico -- yeah i think that audio-technica i'm looking at it's a copy of the technics-- i admit it's not going to be as good but the turntable itself is $180 new at this store. in other places it retails for around $250. the change from $180 to $230 is because they add a thick mat to isolate the vibrations from the motor (a problem w/ some dd turntables), some shit to level the thing ("protractor?") and more importantly, a cartridge. so it's a pretty good value. julian -- patience? what is that? ha ha ha. i need something now... i really much rather deal with a new turntable though. if you look at the one i'm considering, it IS a direct drive and it looks like a ripoff of the technics... cheaper of course. but having it new & soon is a big plus. see? some specs (from the manual): Turntable Specifications Type 3-Speed, fully manual operation Motor DC motor Drive Method Direct drive Speeds 33-1/3 RPM, 45 RPM, 78 RPM Pitch Variation +/- 10% or +/- 20% Turntable Platter Die-cast aluminum Starting Torque >1.6 kgm-cm Braking System Electronic brake Wow and Flutter < 0.2% WRMS (33 RPM) Signal-to-Noise Ratio > 50 dB Output Level Pre-amp “Off” 2.5 mV nominal at 1 KHz, 5 cm/sec Pre-amp “On” 200 mV nominal at 1 KHz, 5 cm/sec their upgraded stylus (costs $50 alone) is a "hyperelliptical diamond stylus" ("hyper" elliptical?). maybe later i'll get the $600 i need for a new technics. now, the thing is, doesn't direct drive supposedly pick up the vibrations from the motor? while DD is great for DJing, isn't a good belt drive better for listening? now the next one up is this denon w/ belt drive that comes with an eliptical cartrige and i might be pushed to do $330... if it would be significantly better. I MISS BRICK & MORTAR STORES.
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12.17.2007, 06:26 PM	#11
!@#$%! invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: mars attacks Posts: 42,581	where's gmku when one needs him? -- i'm looking at this now. hm.... http://www.musicdirect.com/product/72052 comes in cool colors:
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12.17.2007, 07:02 PM	#13
cryptowonderdruginvogue invito al cielo Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: the party Posts: 10,281	i'll sell you a pair of technics SL-1200MK5s for 500$
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12.17.2007, 07:04 PM	#14
✌➬ invito al cielo Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: ιλ Posts: 5,754	Crypto it is 300 or less. __________________ We Kill Homosexuals!!!
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12.17.2007, 07:33 PM	#15
cryptowonderdruginvogue invito al cielo Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: the party Posts: 10,281	not a pair
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12.17.2007, 10:19 PM	#17
cryptowonderdruginvogue invito al cielo Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: the party Posts: 10,281	i bought mine new and have only been used 6-8 times
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12.18.2007, 12:37 AM	#18
gmku invito al cielo Join Date: May 2006 Location: Oxford, England Posts: 15,225	I have to admit I'm not a huge audiophile or anything, but I'd recommend some kind of belt drive. Even lower end models are quieter, and there's less to break, usually just a belt to replace. If you have the dough, invest in the best cartridge you can. Check out Grados if you can find them. They make any turntable sound superb. I always advise having a good audio technician install the cartridge, by the way, unless just a simple plug-in kind. If they screw into a head shell, though, they need to aligned just right. I'm envious! Turntable shopping. What I wouldn't give... __________________ Ever notice how this place just basically, well, sucks.
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12.19.2007, 11:47 AM	#20
!@#$%! invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: mars attacks Posts: 42,581	well it looks like i've settled for now pro-ject debut III, in red, w/ ortofon OM5 cartridge (included)
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