[demonrail666]

Originally Posted by Severian

Raging Bull is one of the best films of the 20th century. Fucking depressing, tragic, hard for me to watch, but goddammit, it's the performance of a lifetime for DeNiro. I often find myself going back and forth between this and Taxi Driver as his peak performance... couldn't tell you where I stand now, but this is definitely one of the best screen performances of all time in my book.

He hardly put a foot wrong during that period but, while not as iconic as his performances in Taxi Driver or Raging Bull, the sheer range of his acting in The Deer Hunter puts that at the top for me.

[demonrail666]

Cleverly managed to post this in the football thread by mistake ...

 

Only God Forgives

Watched in the light of Neon Demon you can see they're from the same director but where Neon Demon seems to go deeper than its glossy surface I'm not sure OGF does.

[TheDom]

Anyone recommend anything coming out soon or out now to go check out? I was pretty struck by Moonlight, even if it dragged in the third act. So far I've got Silence, Jackie, Elle and Manchester by the Sea on the list

[Severian]

Originally Posted by demonrail666

Cleverly managed to post this in the football thread by mistake ...

 

Only God Forgives

Watched in the light of Neon Demon you can see they're from the same director but where Neon Demon seems to go deeper than its glossy surface I'm not sure OGF does.

I'm not sure it does either.

Which isn't to say I didn't like it... or that I definitely liked it. But I loved parts of it. How about that fight scene? With the big build up and the Street Fighter music. "You wanna fight?" Haha. Guess he did.

That was unexpected and ballsy, for whatever it's worth. Even if it's worth nothing. When people wanted Drive 2, he gave them the anti-Drive.

I hope he stops swinging for fences that might not even exist and just makes another great film at some point though. He's definitely got style and the ability to serve up stylized substance. I'd like to see what he's capable of in the realm of more traditional cinema. Not super traditional. Just... y'know... like Drive.

Have I mentioned that I really love Drive? Not sure I have. Don't want to leave you in the dark. I really love Drive.

[demonrail666]

He's definitely doing interesting stuff but I almost don't wanna rewatch any of his movies, incase the initial spell is broken. It's not that I crave depth but I do worry that his films will offer less the more I watch them. He seems to be moving closer to Gasper Noe, in terms of style and theme, but Noe's films affect me more after I've seen them, whereas NWR's are more instant gratification. Even Neon Demon, which when I watched it blew me away but the more I think about it, the more unsure I am.

[pepper_green]

am I the only one that thinks Drive is boring? maybe I need to re-watch it.

[HenryHill51]

Originally Posted by demonrail666

Be interesting to see what you make of it. I'm still blown away, maybe because it feels like the kind of film I always wanted Argento to make but which, for whatever reasons, he could never quite seem to pull off - or at least sustain for an entire movie (Suspiria being the one possible exception).

Like me, did you wonder where the hell that house featured in the finale is? Looked it up. Interesting history. Fantastic view and probably the perfect LA house.

[HenryHill51]

Originally Posted by TheDom

Anyone recommend anything coming out soon or out now to go check out? I was pretty struck by Moonlight, even if it dragged in the third act. So far I've got Silence, Jackie, Elle and Manchester by the Sea on the list

My fave of the year, some possible suggestions:

1. Arrival
2. La La Land
3. Silence
4. Mustang
5. The Handmaiden
6. O.J. Made In America
7. Valley of Love
8. Indignation
9. The Nice Guys
10. Sweet Bean

[demonrail666]

Originally Posted by HenryHill51

Like me, did you wonder where the hell that house featured in the finale is? Looked it up. Interesting history. Fantastic view and probably the perfect LA house.

Haha, I just looked it up. Can only find stuff on the house with the empty pool but not the final scene.

[pepper_green]

I re-watched HEAT and The DEPARTED. seen both numerous times.

HEAT is slow paced 90's crime drama. The Departed was directed by Martin "gimme shelter" Scorsese. i love the intro to "gimme shelter". could you repeat it again? that other movie your directing? could u use "gimme shelter"?

[Severian]

Originally Posted by pepper_green

I re-watched HEAT and The DEPARTED. seen both numerous times.

HEAT is slow paced 90's crime drama. The Departed was directed by Martin "gimme shelter" Scorsese. i love the intro to "gimme shelter". could you repeat it again? that other movie your directing? could u use "gimme shelter"?

Wait... Huh? I can't read the message in your brain's Alphebet Soup this time around.

Are you:
a.) Giving Scorsese shit for using a Stones song in The Departed, a movie that came out 2 years before his Rolling Stones doc (which was called "Shine A Light," not "Gimme Shelter") because you think it's shameless self-cross-promotion?
Or
b.) Under the impression that that one drama about teen pregnancy or whatever that is called Gimme Shelter is a Marty joint? (It's not. Neither is the Altamont film from 1970.)
Or
c.) Just a really big fan of the song, and like hearing it in the movie?
Or
d.) Saying it's lame to use the song in a move... perhaps because it's been used in so, so many?

Not sure what to say if a or b is the case.
If it's c, then ... well, who can blame you really? It's a great song, one that is perhaps SO great, and SO linked to the era in which in was made, that it's almost better as a soundtrack joint than it is as a Stones track (kind of like CCR's "Fortunate Son"). It's just tremendous.

If d is yr poison, then, to be fair, Scorsese has a long history of using anthemic rock tracks in his films. The Departed actually forced me to adapt my position on the Dropkick Murphys, such that now, when I talk about how awful they are, I have to make allowances for the excellence of "I'm Shipping Up to Boston" in the context of that film. Talk about a song that works better with a movie than on its own. Yowza. (They are a really boring, awful band though.)

If you'll recall, Marty also used "Gimme Shelter" (and "Monkey Man," (!) which is awesome, and a surprisingly deep cut for such a big film) in GoodFellas. Oh, and he found room for both live AND studio versions of the song ("Gimme Shelter") in Casino, which also features "Satisfaction" and another one I can't immediately think of.

Anyhoo, I've long since lost sight of whatever it was that you were saying, or I was responding to when I first started this post, so I hope you remember. Mentioning "Gimme Shelter" got me in the mood to listen to Stones records and I'm taking a break from crate-digging to find my LP of Let it Bleed to finish this post up.

Yep. I have major, MAJOR attention issues.

[Severian]

I guess Marty has kind of driven "Gimme Shelter" into the ground, using it with almost inexcusable frequency. I mean, fuck's sake... THREE movies by the same guy, about the same general thing use the same song FOUR times between them. Then, inexplicably, there's no trace of it in "Shine a Light." Weird. But, y'know, whatever.

[!@#$%!]

after 20 or so years of "don't feed the trolls", at this point in the history of the internet people just troll themselves

[!@#$%!]

SMALL TIME CROOKS

 

not woody's best, but good and funny and full of memorable jokes

http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/sm...me-crooks-2000

in glorious, grainy vhs

[!@#$%!]

DRESSED TO KILL

 

what a great stylish motherfucker brian de palma is. what a great spectacle he puts together. what incredible visuals.

the story is a bit shit though, particulary in light of our trans-friendly decade, but not really because of that which can be understood and forgiven historically, but primarily because as a murder mystery it's solveable in the first 20 minutes and from then on it's just things unfolding in super-predictable ways.

fabulous cinematography and editing, derivative and meh writing. some great cast and performances.

watch the unrated version in the criterion bluray for maximum spectacle. amazing visual language & technical fireworks. while the writing is hitchcock diminished, the visuals are hitchcock on 'roids. the last shot of the scene before last would make a magnificent baroque painting.

[pepper_green]

Originally Posted by Severian

I guess Marty has kind of driven "Gimme Shelter" into the ground, using it with almost inexcusable frequency. I mean, fuck's sake... THREE movies by the same guy, about the same general thing use the same song FOUR times between them. Then, inexplicably, there's no trace of it in "Shine a Light." Weird. But, y'know, whatever.

yep, that's it. gimme shelter plays not even a quarter way through, then the song repeats itself. this happens with two or three songs in the Departed.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by pepper_green

yep, that's it. gimme shelter plays not even a quarter way through, then the song repeats itself. this happens with two or three songs in the Departed.

so what you're saying is, a storm is not really threatening?

and here i thought rape, murder, it's just a shot away.

war, children?

[demonrail666]

 

Mighty Aphrodite

Well I could've done without the Greek chorus bits but the rest of it's pretty enjoyable. Still yet to be really impressed by this period of his career though.

 

Rosemary's Baby

Still freaks me out. For all its mainstream gloss it's still one of the scariest films I've seen.

[Severian]

Originally Posted by demonrail666

Mighty Aphrodite

Well I could've done without the Greek chorus bits but the rest of it's pretty enjoyable. Still yet to be really impressed by this period of his career though.

Really liked this one at the time. Haven't seen it in years. I think I saw it listed on HBO GO today, so I'm in.

Other good'uns from or pretty close to this period:
Radio Days (quite a bit earlier I guess, but still... underrated)
Crimes and Misdemeanors (already mentioned this, but it's one of the best)
Manhattan Murder Mystery
Bullets Over Broadway

Originally Posted by demonrail666

 

Rosemary's Baby

Still freaks me out. For all its mainstream gloss it's still one of the scariest films I've seen.

Ok, STOP. LISTEN TO ME...
Rosemary's Baby is fucking terrifying and extremely fucked up, and I know it's more "Hollywood" than the other "Apartment" films, but I would not call it mainstream. Anyone who is sane is deeply unsettled by this film, and if you said you weren't, I'd think you were either a liar or a sociopath.

Rosemary's Baby is. Fucked. Up.

This is the truth. Great movie, but fucked as all hell. You are right to be scared by it. Don't let anybody ever tell you otherwise. If they do, they'll have to deal with me, understand?!

[demonrail666]

Originally Posted by Severian

Ok, STOP. LISTEN TO ME...
Rosemary's Baby is fucking terrifying and extremely fucked up, and I know it's more "Hollywood" than the other "Apartment" films, but I would not call it mainstream. Anyone who is sane is deeply unsettled by this film, and if you said you weren't, I'd think you were either a liar or a sociopath.

Rosemary's Baby is. Fucked. Up.

This is the truth. Great movie, but fucked as all hell. You are right to be scared by it. Don't let anybody ever tell you otherwise. If they do, they'll have to deal with me, understand?!

All I meant by mainstream is it was a major Hollywood studio film dealing with a subject traditionally only touched (in a quite cartoonish fashion) by Hammer, Corman, etc.

Either way, it's disturbing as fuck

So we basically agree.