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!@#$%! · 03.24.2019, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by demonrail666

Basically, yes.

I've linked this argument for not signing the customs union cos it's not from a 'well he would say that wouldn't he?' Leaver, but from someone from the Remain camp who still rejects it:

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...imports-brexit

ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooohhhhh

you’d have no control...

makes perfect sense then

and further, it makes sense either from a protectionist or a free trade perspective

reminds me of dc’s “taxation without representation” situation (tl;dr, dc residents pay federal tax but have no voting congressmember and not senators]

h8kurdt · 03.24.2019, 11:59 AM

All that link does is show why it was better to be in the EU than out. You can complain about how we won't have any control over the customs union now but if we were in the EU we would still have the right to veto any proposals given forward by Brussels. I say this acknowledging the system is fucked within the EU but we were in a stronger position to try and change things from within than out.

Never going understand how you can be so strong about just wanting to leave with no deal. And I'm sure you'll not even try to put a reasonable argument forward.

!@#$%! · 03.24.2019, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by h8kurdt

And I'm sure you'll not even try to put a reasonable argument forward.

this is the kind of line that shits all over the place on the unmentionable thread

impugning people's motives, making accusations, discounting perspectives that don't agree with ours...

just ask for the fucking reasonable argument without embedding the insult, and we can all keep pretending we're open-minded reasonable people capable of mutual understanding in the face of disagreement

h8kurdt · 03.24.2019, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!

this is the kind of line that shits all over the place on the unmentionable thread

impugning people's motives, making accusations, discounting perspectives that don't agree with ours...

just ask for the fucking reasonable argument without embedding the insult, and we can all keep pretending we're open-minded reasonable people capable of mutual understanding in the face of disagreement

Already did and didn't get a reply which is why I said it. And I've asked it a couple of times.

h8kurdt · 03.24.2019, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!

this is the kind of line that shits all over the place on the unmentionable thread

impugning people's motives, making accusations, discounting perspectives that don't agree with ours...

just ask for the fucking reasonable argument without embedding the insult, and we can all keep pretending we're open-minded reasonable people capable of mutual understanding in the face of disagreement

And cmon man, you're the worst out of all of us for discounting perspectives you don't agree with and generally poo-pooing anyone's opinions that differ from you.

!@#$%! · 03.24.2019, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by h8kurdt

Already did and didn't get a reply which is why I said it. And I've asked it a couple of times.

here? lml...

!@#$%! · 03.24.2019, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!

here? lml...

i cant find it.

OK LET’S JUST ASK HIM AGAIN STRAIGHT.

i’ll be witness

ask.

h8kurdt · 03.24.2019, 01:09 PM

It's literally on the last page!

h8kurdt · 03.24.2019, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by h8kurdt

I don't understand how you can still be fine with a no deal when all the signs point that it'll be an absolute total mess. When people say "oh it'll be fine eventually" how can they not wonder at what cost in the immediate aftermath?

But here it is again

!@#$%! · 03.24.2019, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by h8kurdt

I don't understand how you can still be fine with a no deal when all the signs point that it'll be an absolute total mess. When people say "oh it'll be fine eventually" how can they not wonder at what cost in the immediate aftermath?

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Originally Posted by h8kurdt

Never going understand how you can be so strong about just wanting to leave with no deal. And I'm sure you'll not even try to put a reasonable argument forward.

the only thing i see repeating is you saying "i don't understand".

the first one asks about immediate consequences? but also seems to be about absolute consequences.

the second again declares incomprehension and adds insults.

just ask a clear straight non-loaded question that can be answered.

so (forgive me for "helping"). are you're trying to ask him about brexit being a final and absolute mess? or are you trying to ask him about getting past the immediate negative consequences? i.e., what is his long term view?

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eta: i'll add i don't think he'd choose brexit if he thought it was suicide, so maybe the right question is about what kind of future he sees post-brexit and how does he see overcoming the short-term negatives.

i've never known the guy to be unreasonable. except in that colombia-england game lolololololooooooo

demonrail666 · 03.24.2019, 01:25 PM

I consider the EU not just undemocratic but anti-democratic; its interests not with the people of its member states but with an increasingly centralised and unrepresentative style of government; it controls through a normalisation of austerity and - long term - scares the living shit out of me far more than the (admitted) uncertainties of leaving it.

h8kurdt · 03.24.2019, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!

i've never known the guy to be unreasonable. except in that colombia-england game lolololololooooooo

He was being 100% reasonable in any of his comments relating to that game.

!@#$%! · 03.24.2019, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by h8kurdt

He was being 100% reasonable in any of his comments relating to that game.

i can't believe how you even i'm sure not gonna ever

demonrail666 · 03.25.2019, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by h8kurdt

Never going understand how you can be so strong about just wanting to leave with no deal.

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Originally Posted by demonrail666

I consider the EU not just undemocratic but anti-democratic; its interests not with the people of its member states but with an increasingly centralised and unrepresentative style of government; it controls through a a normalisation of austerity and - long term - scares the living shit out of me far more than the (admitted) uncertainties of leaving it.

Not asking or expecting anyone to agree with me but I did write this as a way of explaining my position

I don't wan't a no deal but I'd take that if I thought the only deal on offer was worse than walking away without one.

!@#$%! · 03.25.2019, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by demonrail666

Not asking or expecting anyone to agree with me but I did write this as a way of explaining my position

I don't wan't a no deal but I'd take that if I thought the only deal on offer was worse than walking away without one.

yeah that was evident. been waiting for h8kurdt's response since yesterday and im sure it won't be much longer.

but in the meantime let me ask: what is the sort of deal that you'd like to see?

demonrail666 · 03.25.2019, 04:31 PM

I'd be happy with a simple trade agreement (via some kind of national membership fee) so long as we aren't required to adopt any of its non-trade related regulations as a condition of that membership.

!@#$%! · 03.25.2019, 05:08 PM

looks like parliament is gonna take it away from her?

h8kurdt · 03.26.2019, 09:15 AM

Fuck me it's something every single day. Now Rees-Mogg has decided he now wants May's deal to go through even though he'd been repeatedly saying that it was the worst deal this side of Pardew getting an 8 year contract at Newcastle (I may have said the last bit).

How does anyone take him seriously? He's Boris Johnson in a double breasted suit and nothing more.

h8kurdt · 03.26.2019, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!

yeah that was evident. been waiting for h8kurdt's response since yesterday and im sure it won't be much longer.

but in the meantime let me ask: what is the sort of deal that you'd like to see?

As to why I wouldn't want a no deal to go through? Isn't it obvious?

!@#$%! · 03.26.2019, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by h8kurdt

As to why I wouldn't want a no deal to go through? Isn't it obvious?

no, a reply to demonyo for which you asked twice and...

lmao, ok, never mind.

you have bigger things to worry about than some faceless guy’s expectations on an internet forum. maybe a good day to go climb and forget things.

i woke up to news that made me dyspeptic but belong to the unmentionable thread. im ready to go on a long road trip to nowhere, lololol

03.24.2019, 11:59 AM	#242
h8kurdt invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In Mulder's Basement room Posts: 5,459	All that link does is show why it was better to be in the EU than out. You can complain about how we won't have any control over the customs union now but if we were in the EU we would still have the right to veto any proposals given forward by Brussels. I say this acknowledging the system is fucked within the EU but we were in a stronger position to try and change things from within than out. Never going understand how you can be so strong about just wanting to leave with no deal. And I'm sure you'll not even try to put a reasonable argument forward. __________________ Down with this sort of thing.
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03.24.2019, 01:09 PM	#248
h8kurdt invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In Mulder's Basement room Posts: 5,459	It's literally on the last page! __________________ Down with this sort of thing.
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03.24.2019, 01:25 PM	#251
demonrail666 invito al cielo Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 18,510	I consider the EU not just undemocratic but anti-democratic; its interests not with the people of its member states but with an increasingly centralised and unrepresentative style of government; it controls through a normalisation of austerity and - long term - scares the living shit out of me far more than the (admitted) uncertainties of leaving it.
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03.25.2019, 04:31 PM	#256
demonrail666 invito al cielo Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 18,510	I'd be happy with a simple trade agreement (via some kind of national membership fee) so long as we aren't required to adopt any of its non-trade related regulations as a condition of that membership.
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03.25.2019, 05:08 PM	#257
!@#$%! invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: mars attacks Posts: 42,581	looks like parliament is gonna take it away from her?
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03.26.2019, 09:15 AM	#258
h8kurdt invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In Mulder's Basement room Posts: 5,459	Fuck me it's something every single day. Now Rees-Mogg has decided he now wants May's deal to go through even though he'd been repeatedly saying that it was the worst deal this side of Pardew getting an 8 year contract at Newcastle (I may have said the last bit). How does anyone take him seriously? He's Boris Johnson in a double breasted suit and nothing more. __________________ Down with this sort of thing.
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