[akprodr]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

 

(slide-whistle blows)

I believe this is the best post in thread.

[demonrail666]

If the healthcare a person receives is determined by the money that they earn, that's a problem. I don't know the American healthcare system so I can't say if that's what's going on there. Even with a National Health Service it's sort of going on here so I can only assume it's more widespread in the US.

My point is that European people, and especially British people, like to get on their high horse about healthcare, particularly when discussing it with Americans - regardless of the fact that our system, while it appears just, is deeply flawed on a practical, day-to-day level. I worked for a subsidiary of the NHS for five years and any country that tries to model their system on ours is in for a very bumpy ride.

[pbradley]

Is it as deeply flawed as putting those who use it in crushing debt for generations? I don't think any health care reform, even from single-payer supporters, is seeking to achieve some utopian level of perfection, just one that isn't a financial shell game.

[Toilet & Bowels]

Originally Posted by pbradley

http://www.youtubedoubler.com/?video.../v/aY7Nji-zzhg

who is that guy?

[pbradley]

Alex Jones. "Paleoconservative" radio host and owner of the conspiracy website Infowars.com

[Satan]

14 PAGES!!!!


i am so proud of myself.

[akprodr]

Originally Posted by Satan

14 PAGES!!!!


i am so proud of myself.

Make sure you put this on yr resume.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by pbradley

Is it as deeply flawed as putting those who use it in crushing debt for generations? I don't think any health care reform, even from single-payer supporters, is seeking to achieve some utopian level of perfection, just one that isn't a financial shell game.

so do explain how it works everywhere else? shit people in BOTSWANA have UNIVERSAL health care while, many many Americans myself included have none. The only people who are not complaining about the health care system are those who live in privilege and have insurance of some variety that they are not struggling to pay for. But, all of those young Siddharthas will inevitably leave the comfort and security of the palace and see the real world of suffering and struggle..

[wellcharge]

Originally Posted by pbradley

http://www.youtubedoubler.com/?video.../v/aY7Nji-zzhg

i've had this on loop for about 30 mins, love it

[pbradley]

Originally Posted by Satan

i am so proud of myself.

 

[infinitemusic]

Originally Posted by demonrail666

If the healthcare a person receives is determined by the money that they earn, that's a problem. I don't know the American healthcare system so I can't say if that's what's going on there. Even with a National Health Service it's sort of going on here so I can only assume it's more widespread in the US.

My point is that European people, and especially British people, like to get on their high horse about healthcare, particularly when discussing it with Americans - regardless of the fact that our system, while it appears just, is deeply flawed on a practical, day-to-day level. I worked for a subsidiary of the NHS for five years and any country that tries to model their system on ours is in for a very bumpy ride.

We would never in a millions years plan to model our healthcare after yours. Your system is way too complicated to be implemented by our country. We're not actually doing healthcare reform, we're doing health insurance reform. The government is not going to run hospitals or anything

[infinitemusic]

Originally Posted by Satan

(if you have a legit job) the government is probably most likely going to force you to pay for health insurance. whether you like it or not.

and i don't fucking like it.

i'm quitting my job. i know how i'll be making my money for the rest of my life now. thanks obama. prick.




do we already have a thread about this? fuck it. this is the thread now.

wah wah wah

[infinitemusic]

Originally Posted by notyourfiend

I once got bombarded for using the term rape to describe global issues of human trafficking. I think that's a much better example of "rape" than the Obama administration taking a little bit more out of our paychecks to help cover us if we get seriously ill.

You'd think so, wouldn't you?

at least give me a fucking option, christ. that's all i'm saying. is that it's not right to be stripped of a choice.

Yeah sure, I don't really see why they don't make it an option. However, IT'S NOT A DONE DEAL. Why the fuck don't you call your senator and tell him that you want it to be an option? That's what he/she is there for. Don't just bitch on an internet forum, do something.

think about how much of our tax money already goes to bullshite. i'd prefer they take a little extra to actually help myself and others in my community out...you know, rather than support more genocides.

Its funny how people can get so worked up about one but not the other.

My road tax comes from someone else's salary. I have an agreement with the local council whereby I hover about an inch above the pavement whenever I leave the house until I arrive at my destination, unless it's a council building. Meanwhile, my taxes go to fluffy bunnies and kittens.

This is the best thing you've ever posted.

anyway, you guys can have at it, i just wanted to start some shit. i have my own situation under control far away from the filthy greedy fingers of obama and co.

Yeah, how greeeeeeeedy of them to attempt to give healthcare to people other than the privileged classes. You anti-Obama people sure have a funny definition of greedy.

i sledom get sick. when i do i drink orange juice + chicken broth and try to sleep as much as i can. i havent been to a doctor in well over 8 years (unless ya count getting check ups at the health department....ive done that twice in the last 8 years....you know, wanna make sure im clean)

This is more beneficial for stuff like heart disease and cancer, obviously. And since you haven't been going to the doctor for anything other than STD tests, how would you know if you need either. In any case, why is it only about you? I never get sick either. In fact, I only stayed home from sick one time in High School. But I'm not the only person in the country and I believe that health care is a right that everyone should have. It's the OPPOSITE of greedy.

of course i know i CAN get hit my a truck and need medical attention. but i also know the hospital has to accept me no matter what. of course this could mean outrageous medical bills....but i also know tons of hospitals will just accept whatever you can afford to give them...and having worked as a leasing agent in a relatively prestigious apartment building, i KNOW medical (as well as school) debt is often looked passed when trying to get a new apartment. im sure it works the same way when trying to get a car. so many people are in medical debt they just sorta have to look past it.

Sorry, that's stupid. And again, they don't do that shit when you have cancer or heart disease because you've avoided adequately taking care of your health your entire life. And the end of this quote is so mind-boggling... I really have nothing to say about it.

in ref to what sway said earlier - of course you can enter a hospital and be treated. but is it really fair that you'll have to spend the time 30 years paying that bill off? it just contributes to a cycle of poverty...

Quit being logical. FUCK THE SICK. It's their fault they got sick anyway because they were weak.

And just in general: people who don't tip are assholes.

[samuel]

Shit... 15 pages in two days. Not reading all that, but I'm with Satan.

Furthermore, I don't see the correlation between having a job and being required to have health insurance. Health insurance, like car insurance and shit, should be handled by itself. People should go and get it if they want it.

When I get sick, I relax and eat healthy. How do you think people survived hundreds of years ago? Plus, it's made my immune system a hell of a lot stronger. I hardly ever get sick because my body has learned to protect itself without fucking medicine.

Just saying.

[pbradley]

Originally Posted by samuel

Furthermore, I don't see the correlation between having a job and being required to have health insurance. Health insurance, like car insurance and shit, should be handled by itself. People should go and get it if they want it.

Companies usually have an invested interest in keeping their employees healthy.

Originally Posted by samuel

When I get sick, I relax and eat healthy. How do you think people survived hundreds of years ago? Plus, it's made my immune system a hell of a lot stronger. I hardly ever get sick because my body has learned to protect itself without fucking medicine.

Lots of people died hundreds of years ago without fucking medicine. The average lifespan in Medieval Britain was 20 to 30 years old. I guess with all those diseases and stuff, you would think their immune system was strong as fuck, right? They must not have relaxed and eaten healthy enough.

Just saying.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by samuel

Shit... 15 pages in two days. Not reading all that, but I'm with Satan.

Furthermore, I don't see the correlation between having a job and being required to have health insurance. Health insurance, like car insurance and shit, should be handled by itself. People should go and get it if they want it.

When I get sick, I relax and eat healthy. How do you think people survived hundreds of years ago? Plus, it's made my immune system a hell of a lot stronger. I hardly ever get sick because my body has learned to protect itself without fucking medicine.

Just saying.

I see you like most of us young folks, are ever the optimist. and what about routine things? dentist? kids being born? the occasional emergency? think ahead my friend!

and go around the world or just around the block to see how people survived a hundred years ago without public healthcare, the same as folks survive today, not very well and not very long

[samuel]

In the Middle Ages, they also threw their shit in their drinking water. People who took care of themselves lived a lot longer, pal.

[samuel]

In America, we have the capability of taking care of ourselves. Health care should be an option.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by samuel

In the Middle Ages, they also threw their shit in their drinking water. People who took care of themselves lived a lot longer, pal.

and so you take care of your own shit now I presume? Built the plumbing infrastructure by yourself did you? the only thing americans take care of is to conveniently forget just how much of a socialist country we actually live in..

Originally Posted by samuel

In America, we have the capability of taking care of ourselves. Health care should be an option.

 

[samuel]

That's off topic. Please, it's dumb to analyze a statement so thoroughly.

I've paid for plumbing... through renting my house and paying taxes that go toward sanitary facilities. I have nothing against paying taxes for that.

What this thread is about is whether or not health care should be mandatory. I'm saying many people don't want it, so why force it upon us? That's it.