let's talk about steve - Page 2

neptuneg · 11.03.2007, 04:01 PM

I don't really understand the purpose of criticizing Steve Shelley. He fits in and has fit in with Sonic Youth perfectly and I couldn't really imagine SY without him.

Torn Curtain · 11.03.2007, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by paaaaul

1) There was Sonic Youth long before Steve Shelley joined the band
2) Steve Shelley doesn't appear on Sonic Death

I guess he meant Sonic Death lacked a drummer like Steve.

Torn Curtain · 11.03.2007, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by suez

i know it's strange but... sometimes i think steve is too mediocre, i mean his work in sy. thurston, lee, kim are all looking for some more experimental sound but steve just seems to act someone out of them.

i don't know.

Well to me he's actually the driving force of SY.

avantgarde1 · 11.03.2007, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by sonicl

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When you think about it, bearing musical tastes in mind, it's amazing that Steve is in SY. I mean, yeah, he loves his Gang of Four, etc, but he also seems to love a lot of singer-songwriters, and you just don't expect that from the drummer in Sonic Youth.

don't forget, steve loves his ass some sade too! you can even see him in the crowd on one of her live dvd's. i think steve and lee (and jim when he was w/ them) are the nicest and most approachable members of the band. the first time i met him i felt like we should have been in a bar drinking and telling jokes. and lee's always down to chat. steve really is a fucking awesome drummer too.

SonikJesus · 11.03.2007, 06:08 PM

Steve rules. Seriously, he is one of the best drummers alive. He doesn't need to show off all the time like other drummers who just play fast all the time. People always think fast drummers are good when in fact any hgh school (even middle school) drummer could do that shit. Steve makes his parts fit perfectly into the song. Sometimes the songs sound better with more basic sounding beats and sometimes with crazier ones. Just listen to Pattern Recognition. That song is one of my favorite drum songs; there is so much variation.

Even so, the dude is like a fucking metronome. He is so spot on and solid. After all, that's what drummers are for; keeping the beat. If a drummer can't keep the beat then he/she is useless.

I also think Steve made SY a lot better when he joined. Before, the drummers were more experimental, but Steve came in and changed that. Lee, Kim, and Thurston still kept experimenting while Steve gave the songs structure. On a lot of songs, the guitars are just raging, but in the back, Steve and sometimes Kim are keeping a beat and rhythm to make the songs more structured.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous · 11.03.2007, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by paaaaul

1) There was Sonic Youth long before Steve Shelley joined the band
2) Steve Shelley doesn't appear on Sonic Death

1) you seemed to have missed my point entirely.
2) you missed my second point, which I believe Tom Curtain explained for you.

avantgarde1 · 11.03.2007, 10:56 PM

yeah but sonic death ain't that great anyways though.

PAULYBEE2656 · 11.04.2007, 05:49 AM

whoa, back up a bit here.........

whats with the steve bashing????? steve is a phenomenal drummer, steve is also one of the nicest and most friendliest human beings that have ever breathed oxygen. genuinely interested in fans and instantly approachable.

yeas there were drummers before steve but obviously they didnt work out! btw, jon sclavounos is now a bad seed so he did ok! steve wasnt on sonic death... so fuckin what....... steve joined prior to evol and has stuck around for 20 odd years so maybe for some he is not hardcore enough to be classed as a proper member....... total bullshit. stop being so fucking mean and stupid, steve is the member of the group that posts most regulary on here (well mark is catching up) so remember that........

if you still dont like steve... listen to chapel hill and try to replicate it yourself! the drum part that is!!!!!! sorry if my example isnt obscure enough for you or old enouigh for you but i stand by it!

the ikara cult · 11.04.2007, 10:01 AM

I think most peoples idea of "Sonic Youth" is Thurston Lee Kim and Steve, he has been on all of their best albums in most peoples opinon, and the momentum of songs like Cross The Breeze and Chapel Hill and Pattern Recognition and Catholic Block and etc etc etc, if it was just Noise without rhythm i think most people wouldnt bother listening.

I think this thread should be turned into a Steve Shelley appreciation thread.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous · 11.04.2007, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by avantgarde1

yeah but sonic death ain't that great anyways though.

that was my point exactly!

the ikara cult · 11.04.2007, 05:33 PM

"Its got Steve Shelley in it!"
MYY NEW HOUSSSSSE

max · 11.04.2007, 06:02 PM

Steve is probably the best rock drummer around the world. And he's my fave drummer for sure. If you can't relate to my words, I wonder why do you listen to SY in the first time?

he's amazing and his skills can't be touched. and he's a wonderful person.

Rupert 'Stiles' Stilinski · 11.04.2007, 06:12 PM

Steve is fantastic. I felt so connected to him during the Pitchfork Daydream show. He was just on point... delivered the goods. I think Jenn talked about how he held together songs that might have fallen apart like "Total Trash". I generally watch him and Thurston equally during a show because they interest me the most.

And of course, he's so wonderful a person to meet. He always gave me at least ten awkward minutes (my fault not his) to ask questions and try to make myself seem cool. He understood my fanboy obsessions, and though I wouldn't act like that anymore, he was truly considerate and made me feel welcome.

I hate to gossip, but I remember seeing Steve with a woman frequently. I don't think he's married, but his arm candy is one hot tamale!

Bollocks_to_Pop · 11.04.2007, 06:19 PM

Steve is such an underrated drummer, it's sad actually. Two of my favorite drum tracks of his are on Stereo Sanctity and Pipeline/Kill Time.

11.04.2007, 07:59 PM

He's a fantastic drummer. if you don't like him you don't know who bangs the drums or you don't know what drums sound like. Call the ambulance.

alyasa · 11.04.2007, 08:27 PM

Steve brings the rock to the table. Without him, most would be hard pressed to even call Sonic Youth rock in the first place.

RanaldoNecro · 11.04.2007, 08:44 PM

His style is a wonder. Some of my favorite Steve moments are Dirty Boots live & Ono Soul.

The crashes & breakdowns would be nothing without him. He manages to avoid most rock Classic Rock breakdowns. Has any classic rock drummer even thought about changing up their patterns?

Manages to pull a major punch for a smaller gentlemen too. (like me)

Kudos Steve..

atsonicpark · 11.04.2007, 09:01 PM

This thread has some of the most WRONG viewpoints i've ever seen expressed on this board.

Steve is the best member of SY.

clever name · 11.04.2007, 10:57 PM

I agree with those who recognize Steve's important contributions. He's the engine! And to say that he doesn't jive with their experimental side doesn't make sense to me. He plays guitar on Hydros 3, he's all over the SYR records, and he definitely leaves rhythm behind altogether a number of times. Ironically some of his best stuff is on the less percussive songs: That "Pola X" song on Destroyed Room, Hoarfrost, stuff like that where he can barely be heard, but if you focus on it there's a lot to take in. Mega-props to Steve. And I think I remember reading in an interview with him and Lee that he is married w/ kid(s).

koolthing78 · 11.05.2007, 12:36 AM

I know this is random and insignificant, but I love how in "What a Waste," there's that part during the instrumental where he plays the rhythm one way the first time (delaying the second 2 beats), then the next time plays them all straight. When I'm smoking weed and playing air drums, it gets me every time!

11.03.2007, 04:01 PM	#21
neptuneg 100% Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: NY Posts: 764	I don't really understand the purpose of criticizing Steve Shelley. He fits in and has fit in with Sonic Youth perfectly and I couldn't really imagine SY without him.
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11.03.2007, 06:08 PM	#25
SonikJesus the end of the ugly Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 998	Steve rules. Seriously, he is one of the best drummers alive. He doesn't need to show off all the time like other drummers who just play fast all the time. People always think fast drummers are good when in fact any hgh school (even middle school) drummer could do that shit. Steve makes his parts fit perfectly into the song. Sometimes the songs sound better with more basic sounding beats and sometimes with crazier ones. Just listen to Pattern Recognition. That song is one of my favorite drum songs; there is so much variation. Even so, the dude is like a fucking metronome. He is so spot on and solid. After all, that's what drummers are for; keeping the beat. If a drummer can't keep the beat then he/she is useless. I also think Steve made SY a lot better when he joined. Before, the drummers were more experimental, but Steve came in and changed that. Lee, Kim, and Thurston still kept experimenting while Steve gave the songs structure. On a lot of songs, the guitars are just raging, but in the back, Steve and sometimes Kim are keeping a beat and rhythm to make the songs more structured.
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11.03.2007, 10:56 PM	#27
avantgarde1 the end of the ugly Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 968	yeah but sonic death ain't that great anyways though. __________________ aka ZEROpumpkins
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11.04.2007, 05:49 AM	#28
PAULYBEE2656 invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: wexford, rep of ireland Posts: 6,930	whoa, back up a bit here......... whats with the steve bashing????? steve is a phenomenal drummer, steve is also one of the nicest and most friendliest human beings that have ever breathed oxygen. genuinely interested in fans and instantly approachable. yeas there were drummers before steve but obviously they didnt work out! btw, jon sclavounos is now a bad seed so he did ok! steve wasnt on sonic death... so fuckin what....... steve joined prior to evol and has stuck around for 20 odd years so maybe for some he is not hardcore enough to be classed as a proper member....... total bullshit. stop being so fucking mean and stupid, steve is the member of the group that posts most regulary on here (well mark is catching up) so remember that........ if you still dont like steve... listen to chapel hill and try to replicate it yourself! the drum part that is!!!!!! sorry if my example isnt obscure enough for you or old enouigh for you but i stand by it! __________________ myspace facebook *twitter*
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11.04.2007, 10:01 AM	#29
the ikara cult invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: London sink Posts: 4,576	I think most peoples idea of "Sonic Youth" is Thurston Lee Kim and Steve, he has been on all of their best albums in most peoples opinon, and the momentum of songs like Cross The Breeze and Chapel Hill and Pattern Recognition and Catholic Block and etc etc etc, if it was just Noise without rhythm i think most people wouldnt bother listening. I think this thread should be turned into a Steve Shelley appreciation thread. __________________ "It is absolutely ridiculous, they are behaving like a cult" - The Vatican
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11.04.2007, 05:33 PM	#31
the ikara cult invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: London sink Posts: 4,576	"Its got Steve Shelley in it!" MYY NEW HOUSSSSSE __________________ "It is absolutely ridiculous, they are behaving like a cult" - The Vatican
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11.04.2007, 06:02 PM	#32
max expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: sardinia, italy Posts: 1,262	Steve is probably the best rock drummer around the world. And he's my fave drummer for sure. If you can't relate to my words, I wonder why do you listen to SY in the first time? he's amazing and his skills can't be touched. and he's a wonderful person. __________________ A Dance Of Shadows - Kingdom Of Night
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11.04.2007, 06:12 PM	#33
Rupert 'Stiles' Stilinski children of satan Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Japan Posts: 345	Steve is fantastic. I felt so connected to him during the Pitchfork Daydream show. He was just on point... delivered the goods. I think Jenn talked about how he held together songs that might have fallen apart like "Total Trash". I generally watch him and Thurston equally during a show because they interest me the most. And of course, he's so wonderful a person to meet. He always gave me at least ten awkward minutes (my fault not his) to ask questions and try to make myself seem cool. He understood my fanboy obsessions, and though I wouldn't act like that anymore, he was truly considerate and made me feel welcome. I hate to gossip, but I remember seeing Steve with a woman frequently. I don't think he's married, but his arm candy is one hot tamale!
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11.04.2007, 06:19 PM	#34
Bollocks_to_Pop children of satan Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 296	Steve is such an underrated drummer, it's sad actually. Two of my favorite drum tracks of his are on Stereo Sanctity and Pipeline/Kill Time.
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11.04.2007, 07:59 PM	#35
sarramkrop Posts: n/a	He's a fantastic drummer. if you don't like him you don't know who bangs the drums or you don't know what drums sound like. Call the ambulance.
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11.04.2007, 08:27 PM	#36
alyasa invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Singapore Posts: 3,791	Steve brings the rock to the table. Without him, most would be hard pressed to even call Sonic Youth rock in the first place. __________________ Sab Kuch Tick Tock Hai
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11.04.2007, 08:44 PM	#37
RanaldoNecro expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Eye Of The Squirrel Posts: 1,481	His style is a wonder. Some of my favorite Steve moments are Dirty Boots live & Ono Soul. The crashes & breakdowns would be nothing without him. He manages to avoid most rock Classic Rock breakdowns. Has any classic rock drummer even thought about changing up their patterns? Manages to pull a major punch for a smaller gentlemen too. (like me) Kudos Steve..
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11.04.2007, 09:01 PM	#38
atsonicpark invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 28,843	This thread has some of the most WRONG viewpoints i've ever seen expressed on this board. Steve is the best member of SY. __________________
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11.04.2007, 10:57 PM	#39
clever name bad moon rising Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 111	I agree with those who recognize Steve's important contributions. He's the engine! And to say that he doesn't jive with their experimental side doesn't make sense to me. He plays guitar on Hydros 3, he's all over the SYR records, and he definitely leaves rhythm behind altogether a number of times. Ironically some of his best stuff is on the less percussive songs: That "Pola X" song on Destroyed Room, Hoarfrost, stuff like that where he can barely be heard, but if you focus on it there's a lot to take in. Mega-props to Steve. And I think I remember reading in an interview with him and Lee that he is married w/ kid(s).
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11.05.2007, 12:36 AM	#40
koolthing78 bad moon rising Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 125	I know this is random and insignificant, but I love how in "What a Waste," there's that part during the instrumental where he plays the rhythm one way the first time (delaying the second 2 beats), then the next time plays them all straight. When I'm smoking weed and playing air drums, it gets me every time!
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