[ni'k]

see that would actually be interesting. do you think if he threatened to show up in front of people and moan like chewie "RAAAWOORAGALOOORRAARRRRAIN" like he does he couldnt split up at least 50 bands? and theyd all be shit ones that are friends with radiohead. win win.

[radarmaker]

Originally Posted by Decayed Rhapsody

Someone needs to shut this twat up once and for all.

K.i.S? I heartily agree.

[DeadDiscoDildo]

Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels

reading through the comments after the article it's funny to see that people take this stuff so offensively, like they think thom yorke is trying to end all music now that he's made his money

Isn't he?

Sorry, Im a sensitive artist...who isnt rich.

[Genteel Death]

Thom Yorke

[Toilet & Bowels]

Originally Posted by DeadDiscoDildo

Isn't he?

Sorry, Im a sensitive artist...who isnt rich.

no. he's saying the industry (i.e. the major labels) are on the brink of collapse. and i think his point is is that music as an art form would be better off without them.

[jon boy]

i dont care what thom yorke or the nme says. neither have any relevance to me in any way.

[hevusa]

Originally Posted by jon boy

i dont care what thom yorke or the nme says. neither have any relevance to me in any way.

next you will tell us John Lennon had no relevance (you are sooooo cool).

[ni'k]

no. i think he was making a statement of fact. one that should be commended.

[ni'k]

accusing people of trying to be "cool" when they refuse to pay attention to what is mediated to them as apparently worthy of their attention by the mainstream is just ... stupid.

[knox]

Radiohead is great. And this man is the cutest.
And he's saying nothing new. So I guess it's a slow day too.

He's talking major labels, and frankly we've all been waiting for this for quite a while now. I hope he's got some inside information and we can watch it in a couple of months. Not that we haven't been watching it, I just wish it could collapse AT ONCE and on TV.

[Decayed Rhapsody]

Originally Posted by ni'k

accusing people of trying to be "cool" when they refuse to pay attention to what is mediated to them as apparently worthy of their attention by the mainstream is just ... stupid.

Welcome to like 90% of this board, America, and all things indie rock.

[deflinus]

radiohead is a good band. but i never care about what thom yorke thinks or says. it's irrelevant.

i like the music he writes. that's it. keep it low key

[knox]

Well, fuck cds. I really do like having the cd/lp rather than mp3s BUT. They've been taking the piss for too long - what 100%, 80% profit on a little plastic thing? I know how much cds cost to be made (no more than 0.50 USD per unit), there are other administrative, distribution, legal costs of course, but still, the artists barely ever get anything from that. And more and more they've been expected to pay for their own promotion/recording as well as many labels turned into the strategy of only signing artists that have already spent enough on building a strong following or even bearing the costs of their own recording. You'd expect with the mp3 threat that they would lower prices, diversify, bring more artists and local partnerships. No, the focus was on demanding even more from artists, paying them even less and putting the prices up, while still spending millions trying to build one or two mega manufactured artists. They've had plenty of time to adjust and innovate. They just can't get over he fact they cannot dictate what people listen to anymore. So, fuck off.

Rant over.

I would love a 75% sale. Anything good?

[ni'k]

i dont buy music.

i cant afford to.

i dont expect anyone to pay for mine. they can donate to me if they WANT to. if they can afford to give me money for what i've done then i'll gladly take it. like right now i want to put some writing out into the world, i might try selling it in printed form, might not. i still dont hold on to some antiquated idea that if i put it online or someone scanned it and people read it without paying me this would be theft. hell fucking no. downloading a copy of something is not theft.

if i had to money id buy lps. but i dont. as it is i need what little i have for things like food.

any fuck trying to guilt trip me into paying for cds or mp3s can fuck the fuck off. if i want to go downtown and can get a lift with someone i'll take that over getting a taxi. does that mean im stealing from the taxi driver? no. if i can hear music without paying for it i will. its the same thing. people act like they are trying to preserve some luddite way of "artists" making money off music. this is crap. move with the fucking technology.

we should all spend our money on better computers/sound systems in our computers and faster d/l connections instead of spending £100 for what, 7 LP's? thats a waste. id still like those lps and a top of the line sound system to play them on, but one of those might cost somewhere near a 1000quid on its own. never mind buying the individual albums.

some day you will be able to download and play music on your computer in lp quality, with no compression, until that day we are stuck with mp3/flac.

we should be taking care to preserve the current times music in formats better than mp3, because most people are clueless as to how shitty it is.

and once an lp equal format of digitalised music comes available on peoples pcs, rock music will come back in a BIG way. the reason its doing so badly now is because of cds/mp3s. compression. the dynamics have been ruined. shit listen to a CS of some 80's rock album and you'll hear things you can NEVER hear on cd or mp3. no more tapes, no more lps, this is what was so bad for drum bass vox elec gtr music.

i will save my money for things like food and musicical equipment. i wont be spending it on lps or cdrs. i mean, if i can spare it then yeah, at a show i might get a CS or a CDR or an LP to support somebody who i think is worthwhile. but its rare that i can afford it. spending money on a good microphone or usb mixer is more beneficial to music. especially if you work within a local scene like the ones right now which are so strapped for cash and so everyone starts to share.

but £13.99 for 1 LP? ha. can't afford it. even if i could, its not portable.

don't feel obliged for some stupid "indie" allegiance to obsoletion that you have to pay for fucking cds or records. fuck all of that even goes to the artist anyway. tax and labels and unecessary costs like actually making the thing physically.

now personally i will if i have it (which is rare) spend money on certain phyiscal things if i cant get them anywhere else or if i want to support a friend or something. but not often.

fuck the past. fuck the "indies".

[ni'k]

ha knox i wrote mine while you were writing yours, didnt see it before i posted.

[knox]

well, the thing is most artists have no problem with giving music away for free. Because it's not like any artists makes money selling music. They're more likely to make money by playing live and collecting their rights. Labels used to take some money away from artists for "promotion", well guess what "promotion" now is pretty much free.

The only person who doesn't realise that is Lily Allen (because she's not an artists and had no concept of what's like to need money to continue working herself).

The most annoying thing of all is that you'll see more and more artists supporting brands, those ridiculous annoying logos everywhere, and music being sold to soap operas and adverts.

Not like it hasn't been done before tho.

Labels made sense when recording was very very expensive. Artists wanted labels so they could record, now they don't need to subject themselves to their exploitation anymore.

[ni'k]

the major labels tried desperately this decade to regain some control ie. profit. so they went around every business in britain demanding royalties for any music played there. ridiculous crap like that. they basically just throttled peoples ability to even listen to music in public even further. they try to sue people for d/ling.

as you say it is their own fault, because they refused to move with the times, they became so large in the 90's that they lost touch with reality. there are a few memoirs of the people who worked in american major labels back then. all those guys needed was to find one new band, let them go platinum and they were set for their careers. there are wild stories about execs in rental sports cars buying coke and prostitutes for potential rockstars, all the cliched crap you'd expect. there's even a light hearted one about an older exec, in his 40's who got hooked on crack and barricaded himself in his hotel room with beds agsint the door, a shotgun in his hand, and a massive stash of crack. those guys did not give a fuck about music, obviously.

those days are over now. thats great. whats sad is how many people are still stuck back then, unable to move into the new age fully, because they cant let go of their dated ideas about music as personal stash of property (cds) that signifies status, and band as archetype for some sort of christian esque hero worship. a lot of people are lost now, because there is so much music on offer and they are only concerned with "what I like, what I listen to to say something about MY identitiy". all that crap. they expect some sort of self they can access thru someone else to help them navigate the media reality and "belong". its identity politics. like your own manicured facism thru what band you worship. all this crap is dying now thanks to the internet. thank you oh computer nerds.

the people im complaining about are usually the ones still wishing it was the early 90's. i think its good that music has went thru this existential crisis, because what it means as a commodity and in the culture is changing, and unless you are prepared to move with it and seek out the new you are stuck chasing after a long gone past. im surprised by the amount of people who seem shocked when they ask you what the best decade for music was and you answer "now". but whatever, dinosaurs will die.

whats good about now is that there really is a measure of the equality and d.i.y. stuff the early punks went on about. when people post their music here they can get feedback, but most crucially it can be judged on the merit of the music, not the person. this is a lot better than the way things used to be. its not about who can hog the limelight or the practice room, who can afford the equipment, who is the "alpha male" of the party scene... all that stuff persists for some people but not online in the same way as it used to. but we still havent even began to harness the potential we have with the internet. thats up to us.

whatever labels did it was usually only about trying to extract profit from music, or in the rare cases it wasnt, it was limited by the profit factor. yeah, the industry to create this profit opened up new avenues, but whatever, its been done.

[knox]

I sometimes wish it was the early 90s. Because I think being a teenager back then seems more fun than being one now. Also, because I could wear anything with boots and a shitload of eyeliner. Also, because it was ok not to like things and listen to depressive/angry music without being called a goth or prescribed prozac. And two-chord tape recordings in garages.

One of things that gets me desperate now, there is so much music to hear, you don't know what to do. And since a lot of it it's just shit you just get put off with wasting your time. I miss mix tapes from strangers.

About the music industry, I'll miss Sade's records. Bye Sade. Every motel/dentist/waiting room will always remember you.

[jon boy]

Originally Posted by hevusa

next you will tell us John Lennon had no relevance (you are sooooo cool).

i am just surprised that they have relevance to anyone. yes i am pretty cool.

[ni'k]

i think those glasses are a bit rose tinted.

there was more prozac prescription back then and more hostility to depresive/angry music. well maybe not... i still remember it tho. you can still wear grunge boots, since they were the new thing in 09.

there may be a lot to hear, but most of it is crap. if anything now i find there isnt enough great albums, same as always.

i think it just takes time to build up a mental filtering system when you are online as opposed to the old days of scanning racks in shops.