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i guess CNTNKRSSS is talking about conceptual art, and generally speaking i'm inclined to agree as far as that one goes. While there is good conceptual art, it's so much more scarce than good art is in any other field (painting/photography/sculpture/video/etc)
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conceptual art is a crock of shit.
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i wouldn't say that duchamp is a crock of shit, though it's tempting. i once saw great conceptual art from non-famous chilean artist that dealt with pinochet's political massacres and disappearances and it was FUCKING AMAZING. conceptual art works well when dealing with non-wankery ideas. |
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smart, smart post. For literature, the post-modern giant for me is truly Charles Olson, with his ideas about history, geography, society, poetic form, the white page itself and language. At the moment my favourite artist is Anselm Kiefer, but that's because I just received the fabulous "Anselm Kiefer/Paul Celan Myth, Mourning, Memory."
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True, but lets not forget that formalists can be extremely boring. |
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duchamp was a Dadaist, "conceptual art" is a bullshit name made up by critics who did not understand .
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all art is "conceptual" is my point.
if all you have is an idea, that is not art. it is an idea. that idea can then be used to make an art object, or a novel, or a video, or a book, or an essay or whatever, but then you have an actual real life artwork.
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i don't know much about formalism in the visual arts, but in poetry, formalists are the definition of wankery--conservative fools who relish in every verbal curlicue they utter, while meaning little or nothing of importance. |
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That pretty much sums it up for most of todays formalists in the visual arts too. Technically good painters who lack concepts. |
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there are a number of different schools. the russians, for example, are by and large fantastic. i'm not sure we are thinking of the same formalists, as the formalists were a very, very progressive group, demonstrating that poetry does not always have to "BE ABOUT" but it can be "MADE OF". they were some of the first writers to actively deconstruct the lyric and to have preoccupations with LANGUAGE. this move is to a certain extent mirrored in painting, with the emergence of abstract painting. in abstract art the subject is the paint itself, and the russian formalists thought along these lines, i.e. the WORDS themselves are the important tools in poetry, and so they sought to analyse them using sound-based techniques as well as exploring the ideas of collisions of meaning (though this came later).
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no no, i like the russian formalists, and the prague school that succeeded it (jakobson was a god), i was referring to contemporary formalists like the "new formalists" that insist on writing with meter-- which is nice, and it works when the poet is good, etc, but most people are just eghhhh. i was originally speaking in the context of conceptual art, toko mentioned formalists and i misunderstood what he meant, thinking he was referring to some (unknown to me) formalism derived from duchamp, seeing as how formalism can be a form of platonism (the word has too many meanings and it's confusing), so i asked for a clarification. |
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interesting what you say about platonism. i will have to look that up.
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