Do you believe in an objective reality? - Page 2

pbradley · 03.15.2010, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Eugene Felikson

Certain things are true, certain things are not. As long as we're not talking in matters of opinion, there is absolutely a definite truth.

You're using very casual definitions of objectivity and subjectivity if you think the difference is between definite truth and opinion. Opinions aren't false by definition. How can one talk of matters of definite truth without accountable right opinion?

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Originally Posted by Dr. Eugene Felikson

Now, I'm not saying that humans are even half-capable of understanding the grand secrets of the universe. Just because everyone believes something to be true, doesn't necessarily make it true. But there is a constant state of truth that has existed since the beginning of time, and will inevitably outlive time, itself.

So you are saying time is not a constant state of truth? What is this constant state of truth? Where is it? Can you point to anything beside an abstraction in your head?

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Originally Posted by Dr. Eugene Felikson

Does your tin foil hat get hot in the summer?

What is a hat outside of human fashions? What is summer outside of region-specific weather? What is getting hot to someone who has never felt warmth? All the parts of your question refer to first-person experiences to things outside itself. As such, subjective experience cannot exist without the objective for it to refer and the objective cannot be approached by any other means beside those that begin with subjective experience. This is why the dichotomy is shit. To refuse the dichotomy doesn't mean I'm a subjectivist nor an objectivist. The world in which we live and can make sense to ourselves is entwined in such a way that two simplistic post-Kantian terms can't undo it.

floatingslowly · 03.15.2010, 12:29 PM

time is not a constant truth, if you think if is, you fail Einsteinian-theory.

but what did he know? its not like you can see black holes...

does anyone get the feeling that bradders furiously rubs his junk as he types out these constant eruditic graduation-validations?

the doctor is IN.

davenotdead · 03.15.2010, 12:32 PM

it's like watching intellectuals' cum slowly cascade down the walls

pbradley · 03.15.2010, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by floatingslowly

does anyone get the feeling that bradders furiously rubs his junk as he types out these constant eruditic graduation-validations?

Nah, I let your mom do it for me.

demonrail666 · 03.15.2010, 12:48 PM

I do believe in an objective reality. I just don't believe we can comprehend it beyond a few quite minor surface details, thankfully.

phoenix · 03.15.2010, 04:59 PM

does a nice discussion need to be reduced to cocks and moms...

Rob Instigator · 03.15.2010, 11:47 PM

I think there is an objective reality that exists and that we interact and experience it through subjective means

Toilet & Bowels · 03.16.2010, 09:58 AM

how would we ever be able to know if there is an objective reality?

Dr. Eugene Felikson · 03.16.2010, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by pbradley

You're using very casual definitions of objectivity and subjectivity if you think the difference is between definite truth and opinion. Opinions aren't false by definition. How can one talk of matters of definite truth without accountable right opinion?

I didn't say opinions were false by definition. Just because something is subjective, doesn't mean it's false...

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Originally Posted by pbradley

So you are saying time is not a constant state of truth? What is this constant state of truth? Where is it? Can you point to anything beside an abstraction in your head?

No, I'm just trying to express that truth is more definite than time.

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Originally Posted by pbradley

To refuse the dichotomy doesn't mean I'm a subjectivist nor an objectivist. The world in which we live and can make sense to ourselves is entwined in such a way that two simplistic post-Kantian terms can't undo it.

I agree. Figuring out whether reality is subjective or objective, is only the tip of the iceberg.

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

I think there is an objective reality that exists and that we interact and experience it through subjective means

I think you've nailed it.

pokkeherrie · 03.16.2010, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels

how would we ever be able to know if there is an objective reality?

yeah. even if there would be we an objective reality we wouldn't be able to tell.

pbradley · 03.16.2010, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Eugene Felikson

I didn't say opinions were false by definition. Just because something is subjective, doesn't mean it's false...

That's what you get when you set up truth versus opinion.

GeneticKiss · 03.16.2010, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

I think there is an objective reality that exists and that we interact and experience it through subjective means

Once again, Rob Instigator proves how awesome he is.

Toilet & Bowels · 03.16.2010, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by pokkeherrie

yeah. even if there would be we an objective reality we wouldn't be able to tell.

and seeing as there is no way for anyone to know then it kind of nullifies it's existence.

the ikara cult · 03.16.2010, 02:17 PM

If theres one thing I do know its discussing philosophical matters such as this on the internet has definitely run its course for me. And after all that, i dont think ive changed my mind at all. Some say thats a sign of intellectual inflexibility and stubborness. I would say it means i was on the right path all along.

Toilet & Bowels · 03.16.2010, 03:26 PM

the only beliefs i hold are that nothing is true and everything is permissable

the ikara cult · 03.16.2010, 03:31 PM

Jesus, im so tempted to wade in... but i mustn't

Glice · 03.16.2010, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by the ikara cult

If theres one thing I do know its discussing philosophical matters such as this on the internet has definitely run its course for me. And after all that, i dont think ive changed my mind at all. Some say thats a sign of intellectual inflexibility and stubborness. I would say it means i was on the right path all along.

It's about the medium. tl;dr is the law of forums. I'm surprised at the resistance to the notion of the noumenal in this thread, but not really inclined to wade in.

I'd also like to direct you to rules 8, 11, 14, 15, 20, 25, 27, 32, 39 and 40 of the internet. Although, obviously, rule 34 is the only real rule.

Having said that, PMs do help to mollify the general futility of 'this sort of thing'.

the ikara cult · 03.16.2010, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Glice

It's about the medium. tl;dr is the law of forums. I'm surprised at the resistance to the notion of the noumenal in this thread, but not really inclined to wade in.

I'd also like to direct you to rules 8, 11, 14, 15, 20, 25, 27, 32, 39 and 40 of the internet. Although, obviously, rule 34 is the only real rule.

Having said that, PMs do help to mollify the general futility of 'this sort of thing'.

Vote Labour

pbradley · 03.16.2010, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Glice

Although, obviously, rule 34 is the only real rule.

requesting rule 34 on object and subject, plz

!@#$%! · 03.16.2010, 08:38 PM

any of you cockswains ever heard of the weak anthropic principle? read up on it-- it will cut through this bullshit like hot spunk on butter.

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floatingslowly invito al cielo Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 21,165	time is not a constant truth, if you think if is, you fail Einsteinian-theory. but what did he know? its not like you can see black holes... does anyone get the feeling that bradders furiously rubs his junk as he types out these constant eruditic graduation-validations? the doctor is IN.
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demonrail666 invito al cielo Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 18,510	I do believe in an objective reality. I just don't believe we can comprehend it beyond a few quite minor surface details, thankfully.
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Rob Instigator invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the land of the Instigator Posts: 27,976	I think there is an objective reality that exists and that we interact and experience it through subjective means __________________ RXTT's Intellectual Journey - my new blog where I talk about all the books I read.
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Toilet & Bowels invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern Europe Posts: 12,268	how would we ever be able to know if there is an objective reality?
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03.16.2010, 02:17 PM	#34
the ikara cult invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: London sink Posts: 4,576	If theres one thing I do know its discussing philosophical matters such as this on the internet has definitely run its course for me. And after all that, i dont think ive changed my mind at all. Some say thats a sign of intellectual inflexibility and stubborness. I would say it means i was on the right path all along. __________________ "It is absolutely ridiculous, they are behaving like a cult" - The Vatican
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Toilet & Bowels invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern Europe Posts: 12,268	the only beliefs i hold are that nothing is true and everything is permissable
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the ikara cult invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: London sink Posts: 4,576	Jesus, im so tempted to wade in... but i mustn't __________________ "It is absolutely ridiculous, they are behaving like a cult" - The Vatican
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03.16.2010, 08:38 PM	#40
!@#$%! invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: mars attacks Posts: 42,564	any of you cockswains ever heard of the weak anthropic principle? read up on it-- it will cut through this bullshit like hot spunk on butter.
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