[ann ashtray]

Originally Posted by Murmer99

sounds like a broken record, and probably something you're obviously already aware of. But there's simply no objective meaning of life. There's no exposition to wake up the next day... being stuck (unless you're lucky enough) with an occupation you're hardly passionate about. The same routine over and over. Personal pleasures are great but only temporary and most of the time they seemingly wear out at some point. I remember when I first actually started thinking about mortality and felt similar (but I was definitely a bit younger then). Eventually I just started realizing how dull life is... despite how important I think it is to appreciate the existence on Earth to some degree. The "meaning" has to relatively be created by the individual, and that makes it seem very artificial to me.... Have fun and make the most out of it is what most people say. What happens when people simply can't find that certain bliss majority of the time? What should the people do when they don't care about such emptiness and find all of that meaninglessness boring? All things considered, I'm certain that death is by far more peaceful than living is. I don't relate to anyone, can't seem to get anything going with the things I'm passionate about, most of what I'm consuming is hardly giving me a thrill anymore, and people are repulsive things therefore I don't like socializing most of the time. Sorry for the pessimism, but it doesn't make much sense to fear death when the nightmare/lifeless dead zone is life itself, does it?

I'd most likely make an excellent comic book villain.

and I've never taken drugs, I'm not cool... you see.

I'm a firm believer that most people (much emphasis on "most", as chemical imbalances/etc do exist) who can't find a means of enjoying life simply are not trying hard enough. It doesn't take a lot of money or a great job or any of that shit...and usually is as simple as changing something about whatever your daily routine might be. If you don't like your job, work toward finding another. If you're tired of whatever films or music you've been listening to, explore other avenues of entertainment. Read books you might not normally be interested in. Explore other ways of thinking. Get OUT! Venture into the woods. Document your daily life. Meet new people. Walk around and observe and take tons of mental notes. Create adventures for yourself. Staying stuck in a bedroom all day, listening to the same 20 records all the time and considering doing other things doesn't do much good. It takes actually putting other considerations into action. Shit, I spent nearly the last two years (up until recently) just listening to bullshit lectures on Youtube covering all sorts of (what I'd thought would be..) bullshit topics. My interest in music isn't going anywhere, but it isn't as intense as it once was. I can get into a new band without having to know the member's back story. After all, all that shit (as you clearly realize) boils down to being little-to-nothing more than entertainment. Explore other means of entertainment. Read above your ability level. Take some sort of risks, man. Experience as much as you possibly can why you are here. A bedroom/few records/books only offers so much. We don't know what the world has to offer until we get out in it. I'm surprised you don't spend more time on the beach. It's a great place to go and reflect, homie. Tear those walls down.

There doesn't have to be a meaning to everything. When it comes to most things, my experience has often been that as soon as I find a meaning, it ceases to interest me. I personally enjoy not having the answers to absolutely everything. This has no effect, and should have no effect, on how much one enjoys their own existence.

[gast30]

Originally Posted by louder

almost forgot to mention i crashed my car into someone else's and totaled it a few weeks after that first experience. wasn't as scary, but i thought i was going to die.
those two events fucked me up for a while..

can come in to that

[gast30]

if people talk straight about the fear of death or fears
it will be clear

then i guess
people will have problems how to continue after a near death experience
or what to do

this can be difficult
some will need a guide to go trough this

and on the otherside

you can wake up in a reality
that other have near death experiences

wich doesn't make people happy at all

[louder]

Originally Posted by knox

i think the idea of having children just because you think they're supposed to be an "extension of you" or a way to overcome death is pretty gross.

it was too easy to misinterpret my post like that..

LOVE made me come into this world. it was love that made me sit at home, listen to my little record collection and write, while all other kids were hanging out. at the end of the day, all i'm willing to do is spread the love. if you find love gross, well, i have no words for you..

[Diesel]

Fucking hell

[knox]

Originally Posted by louder

it was too easy to misinterpret my post like that..

LOVE made me come into this world. it was love that made me sit at home, listen to my little record collection and write, while all other kids were hanging out. at the end of the day, all i'm willing to do is spread the love. if you find love gross, well, i have no words for you..

it's easy to misinterpret my point that is: having children for selfish purposes is not spreading 'love', it's more like spreading frustration.
what does listening to records and writing have to do with it?

[Diesel]

Lets get dead, but first lets get drunk and forget about it.

[louder]

Originally Posted by knox

it's easy to misinterpret my point that is: having children for selfish purposes is not spreading 'love', it's more like spreading frustration.

you may be right. i can be very selfish sometimes. but i'm working on it.

Originally Posted by knox

what does listening to records and writing have to do with it?

uhm, everything. it represents what i feel inside and find it hard to express in other ways.

[knox]

Originally Posted by louder

uhm, everything. it represents what i feel inside and find it hard to express in other ways.

what does that have to do with having children? i don't understand what your point was.

[louder]

Originally Posted by knox

what does that have to do with having children? i don't understand what your point was.

you said "just because".. had to let you know that wasn't the ONLY reason. there's more to the picture.

[knox]

as long as it's not projecting an extension of your self like most people do

[gast30]

the perspective of having childeren
is havely disformed
by the war and agression of the past

created extreme confusion in passing on good things of life

if people have a personal idea of life
that they don't like to live a life as an animal

than is that that

end of piont

no need to lie around that piont

i simply don't like life like an animal
and seen alot of shit from human animals

defenitivly don't want to give a look back to all that

if people like to stay costume museum crazy

go then out like that

i know i'm not joining

i have another future idea of life

[gast30]

i won't be broken by humans
that is what stand up

and specially not by woman
who think they are smart
by using all kinds of emotional manipulations

[Diesel]

MY buzz you fucking basteard

[gast30]

who are you diesel?

[Diesel]

As in density or mass?

[gast30]

if you have childeren
look after them

don't go playing the though guy that is going to sink the bottle of alchol

and do know they are not your toys
that should be boys or girls
blue or green eyed

don't want to born like that

have seen people who are born and grown up as tube baby's
without knowing who their parents where
long searches for their parents and stuff

they where definitivly not happy about it

that is what they say themself

[gast30]

just how old are you
female or male
where do you live?

[gast30]

if you look at the internet
do know there is a lot time to kill

[Diesel]

Too many questions, sorry i'm experiencing aneurysms.