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They should have all been like Qwest and denied spying. Its their problem but ultimately the admins. By having the suits against the telephone companies it brings out the "well they, the admin, told us its ok response" and forces officials to answer for it. It wasn't ok, even during wartime, the most important time to follow all laws to prevent unnec. power grabs. And u know, ok, you know, that these guys first enemy is progressives. They are spying not only for terror. I don't beleive that for a second after Plame and everything else.
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and no, i'm not going to vote. i was, but then i thought about it for a bit and i don't really care. to obama's credit he's much more personable than john mccain.
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yeah i know that, that's what bugs me. it's all ran by a secret court. but while this is a useful device to prosecute, i think it doesn't necessarily have a legal foundation of its own. im trying to understand what the democrats got in return though, if anything, and what kind of fucking pussies they are. unfortunately, work is interfering with my reading of the newspapers. |
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Here is a decent overview. Basically, the admin got there immunity, which was holding them up and allowed them to just revise the laws, and not revisit the initial illegal wiretapping. No acknowledgment or answer to why their fight on the war on terror means u can cite special laws to wiretap with no clearance.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/20/wa...20fisacnd.html
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did you mean representative democracy? because there is no such thing as democracy in the world, it is a myth.
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try a bad two hundred and fifty years.
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Hah! This is nothing. Be glad you don't live in enlightened Swededn. Quote:
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No. No, I meant Democracy. Democracy is a system of government by which political sovereignty is retained by the people and either exercised directly by citizens,* or through their elected representatives*. But if you mean a simple, every vote counts the same, and that is used as the sole baromoter, hell, we would be out of Iraq by now, and Bush out of office by now.
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What are you talking about? There were specific events that made it a bad day for Democracy. You sound like a strange cat, hung up on the most irrelavant of things.
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Well, like i said, i expected people to know about it. It was big news, really. But i guess its something that people that are more politically aware would only know instead. I think there's a lot of apathy towards Bush's trampling of the const. It happens so freq that he's giving the finger to laws in general, whether it by by witholding info, editing reports and the like, that it comes and goes w/o much notice. People don't like people getting on a soapbox, or the appearance thereof, which i think is what's happening with this thread. That, and they don't like the message. So instead, they argue the semantics of a 24 hour day, and seek to minimize the travesty by comparing it to situations around the world that are worse, which only serves up more indifference. But like i said, bad day for democracy.
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so anyway apparently this law puts a leash on El Presidente in all areas except for wiretapping for a week.
so it's good in that it puts a leash on him but bad in that it gives him room to play with the lives of others. that's a fucking weak tea. |
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