01.09.2007, 02:40 PM | #21 |
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I've yet to go into Octavio Paz.
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01.09.2007, 02:44 PM | #22 |
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Adventure full of pleasures quotes James Blonde.
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01.09.2007, 02:52 PM | #23 | |
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egh, octavio paz is full of shit except for sunstone (piedra del sol) either neruda or garcia lorca are far far beyond paz's rethorical flourishes, silly theories, and accomodation politics. |
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01.09.2007, 02:55 PM | #24 |
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Neruda wasn't into politics asks James Blonde?
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01.09.2007, 02:55 PM | #25 |
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Good Point. Unmentionable?
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01.09.2007, 03:04 PM | #26 | |
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of course he was, he was a fucking stalinist for fucks sakes. his own shortcoming. but at least he stood for something. garcia lorca was also a republican and that's why he got shot (also perhaps for being a flaming queen, which made the fascists, im sure, quite nervous). paz's theory that poets just deal with myth & should remain uninvolved with history however is crap. and so was most of his poetry. he can eat shit (well he's dead anyway). |
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01.09.2007, 03:07 PM | #27 |
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Your point well taken, admits James Blonde. Sometimes pure art is worth to read also.
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01.09.2007, 03:09 PM | #28 |
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I believe poetry should consists of history happening at the time the poetry is written.
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01.09.2007, 03:12 PM | #29 |
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James Blonde believes poetry should be written how the poet wants, there can't be any restrictions, it's up to readers whether to like it or not.
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01.09.2007, 03:13 PM | #30 |
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Point taken.
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well, "pure art" is a bit of a fallacy, is my point-- a fallacy that paz himself constructed. piedra del sol however IS a magnificent poem; the rest of his work however leaves me meh. piedra del sol can be found here in spanish: http://amediavoz.com/paz.htm#PIEDRA%20DE%20SOL the bilingual edition is here: http://www.amazon.com/Sunstone-Piedr.../dp/0811211959 i have that edition actually, and the translation is adequate. a better mexican poet that few people know however is jose gorostiza, "muerte sin fin" (maybe translatable as "death without end" ) is fucking mindblowing. again i don't know how it would translate into other languages, those verses inspired in the baroque... but for those who read spanish, jump in & tremble... http://omega.ilce.edu.mx:3000/sites/...htm/sec_5.html |
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01.09.2007, 04:19 PM | #32 | |
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oh on this i should add-- paz himself wrote treatises/theories on poetics, hence he opened himself to criticism in this regard, especially when he denied other poets (via his theories) the freedom to write how they wished to write. |
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01.10.2007, 10:56 PM | #33 |
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How about antipoetry by Nicanor Parra? I really dig his writting and his collages! a pure anarchist!
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01.10.2007, 11:05 PM | #34 | |
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hot damn i love nicanor parra! the only problem i have is that his schtick wears out eventually-- for me anyway-- kinda like, hm, punk rock, you know what i mean? now i think you're chilean no? then vicente huidobro is where it's at-- genius of the avant garde-- altazor = masterpiece. and his prose books etc-- mind blowing. im looking for it online but no luck yet-- however, you poetaster friends (we're all poetasters here, ha ha), should all read it. potentially life-altering. |
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