[ni'k]

Originally Posted by notyourfiend

"Dissent is patriotic" and I completely hear yah nik.

I personally think that blind patriotism is almost always a dangerous thing.

The point is to loose patriotism and to loose borders and nation states all together. Any patriotism is wrong in my view, unless your living on an island with absolutely no contact/awareness with the outside world EVER. The point is to have compassion and communism for all of humanity.

[notyourfiend]

Originally Posted by girlgun

Gawd. I'm done. I've got no patriotism at all. I'm just saying okies aren't like new yorkers who aren't like californians.

Whatevs.

Regardless of where they are located however, I do think that most Americans are either passive bystanders or too invested in stupid material investments or blind religious qualms to actually care about the needs of the world around them.

[demonrail666]

this thread is gonna give suchfriends an orgasm

[notyourfiend]

Originally Posted by ni'k

The point is to loose patriotism and to loose borders and nation states all together. Any patriotism is wrong in my view, unless your living on an island with absolutely no contact/awareness with the outside world EVER. The point is to have compassion and communism for all of humanity.

We can't maintain practices of borders and boundaries of nation state if we are going to have global trade (ie trafficking, WTO etc.)

[ni'k]

Originally Posted by notyourfiend

the health care debate up here is exploding because people simply can't afford to live. even though baltimore is a shitty place, i see a lot of potential for something to erupt out of it. because people here are desperate and hopkins, with it's wonderful medical team and world renowned hopstial, continues to completely fuck the city residents over.

There is a side of me that wants to see the US collapse due to internal conflict/obliteration of its army overseas, so that a real revolutionary situation comes about. If that doesn't happen we continue with capitalism (which has slaughtered more people so far than fascism/socialism/communism combined) and the current reality, for me personally it's completely intolerable so I wouldn't mind the collapse of the western liberal capitalist democracies that I survive off/that keep me exploited and imprisoned.

(and work hard to contribute the least amount possible to)

[girlgun]

Originally Posted by demonrail666

oh, and we also like to make a big fuss about how your 'gridiron' is far too complicated to follow.

it's nothing personal. We're a small land that's had our global significance ripped from under us by a place that endorses monster truck racing. it hurts.

Hahahaha. I want nothing more in the world than to take you to a monster truck rally.

[girlgun]

Originally Posted by notyourfiend

Regardless of where they are located however, I do think that most Americans are either passive bystanders or too invested in stupid material investments or blind religious qualms to actually care about the needs of the world around them.

I could argue 'til the end of time, but I'll just add..... Suck it.

Now I'm going to go to church in my hummer and then go the mall. After that, Immuna watch me some fox news.

[demonrail666]

Originally Posted by girlgun

Hahahaha. I want nothing more in the world than to take you to a monster truck rally.

that's good, because i want nothing more in the world than to be taken to one.

[notyourfiend]

Originally Posted by girlgun

I could argue 'til the end of time, but I'll just add..... Suck it.

Now I'm going to go to church in my hummer and then go the mall. After that, Immuna watch me some fox news.

Haha, I don't think that all Americans or like that...or that this type of selfishness is just an American condition. I still do think that apathy remains a problem though...

Whatever, I need coffee.

[demonrail666]

apathy is a problem, but a lack of coffee is a catastrophe

[girlgun]

Originally Posted by demonrail666

that's good, because i want nothing more in the world than to be taken to one.

It's too bad you can't come through here. I would show you things. Things you never even thought could exist.

[notyourfiend]

Originally Posted by demonrail666

apathy is a problem, but a lack of coffee is a catastrophe

And being too poor to afford another package of instant coffee is, well, the result of taking the only job available which would offer health care? Ha! It's all good. At least it's the weekend. Back to sleep, I suppose....

[girlgun]

Get another job? I've got 2...

[davenotdead]

aren't poor liberals the same who think the world is over-populated? so if yr all rly sick, just die then, and help the world out. it'd be the most courteous and least hypocritical thing to do

[demonrail666]

Originally Posted by girlgun

I would show you things. Things you never even thought could exist.

now i'm just scared!

[ni'k]

Originally Posted by notyourfiend

Yes, I agree with you completely here.

We also can't maintain fucked ideas of borders and boundaries of nation states if we are going to have things like the WTO.

I get attacked a lot for this position, but I really dont think that we can function as a world like a world like this. I wish i was more awake and/or had coffee left in my apt because if i did, i would totally make a more articulate and convincing argument.

The problem is the current dominant worldview of liberal capitalist democracies which basically sees mankind separate from the earth and the earth as a commodity for mankind to use/consume. Basically a Capitalist Christian viewpoint. I think there is something to the idea that we need to realise that we are all part of the one conciousness. When Philip K Dick talks about how the empire never ended and the idea of the black iron prison i interpret that to mean our slavery to God (which is our slavery to an imaginary father figure/schizophrenic cut off from outer reality). This worldview tells us that we are an isolated individual (I) who will die alone and is forever in debt/guilt to an imaginary father figure. I think the black iron prison refers to the cut off point, an imaginary black line separating our bodies and isolating them thus causing a division in the one - (self/world division) which can be imagined as a black line around our skin cutting us off from everything else/a black line around our minds cutting us off from true conciousness.

We certainly can't continue to function the way we are going -

1. the earth is already overpopulated, and thanks to the christian/reckless hedonist consumerist ideologies we continue to have so many kids (instead of looking after the ones that are already here). This will only end up in mass death/war over resources.
2. the enviroment. remember back when anyone who talked about it was just a hippie? the way we live is unhealthy for both the world and us. We build things that are designed not to last and thus to be replaced, made only for profit and are out of sync with nature. It's both inefficient and dangerous.
3. the war machine shows no signs of stopping. we are in a fucked up position were we help fund and propagate it by our very participation in much of society.
4. sexually we are fucked up, superstitious and dumb. homophobia/our hiv aids policies/our squeamishness and christian bullshit combines with our permissive hedonism to create a society of loneliness, repression, intolerance, sti's, unwanted pregnancies, lack of sufficient knowledge and unfufillment. crucial to all this is the view of the body as a commodity which is encouraged under capitalism.
5. saying JUST GET A JOB doesn't work - capitalism depends on a reserve army of the unemployed in order to function. it also means that third world people can't get any work because their countries are being raped/destroyed by capitalism. also capitalism destroys people both pyschologically and physically. the rest are at best addicts with a borderline pyschosis/depression.

i think that irony is the first line of defense/denial to all this. breaking out of the post modern condition should be the goal of culture, but we seem to be failing to do anything culturally but encourage obedience/ignorance/denial/addiction/distraction AT BEST and at worst racism, homophobia, sheer propaganda.

[demonrail666]

Originally Posted by girlgun

Get another job? I've got 2...

isn't that sort of greedy though, during a recession?

[notyourfiend]

Originally Posted by girlgun

Get another job? I've got 2...

You aren't allowed to get secondary work if you are doing AmeriCorps. You are expected to be on call 24/7.

[davenotdead]

Originally Posted by ni'k

The problem is the current dominant worldview of liberal capitalist democracies which basically sees mankind separate from the earth and the earth as a commodity for mankind to use/consume. Basically a Capitalist Christian viewpoint. I think there is something to the idea that we need to realise that we are all part of the one conciousness. When Philip K Dick talks about how the empire never ended and the idea of the black iron prison i interpret that to mean our slavery to God (which is our slavery to an imaginary father figure/schizophrenic cut off from outer reality). This worldview tells us that we are an isolated individual (I) who will die alone and is forever in debt/guilt to an imaginary father figure. I think the black iron prison refers to the cut off point, an imaginary black line separating our bodies and isolating them thus causing a division in the one - (self/world division) which can be imagined as a black line around our skin cutting us off from everything else/a black line around our minds cutting us off from true conciousness.

We certainly can't continue to function the way we are going -

1. the earth is already overpopulated, and thanks to the christian/reckless hedonist consumerist ideologies we continue to have so many kids (instead of looking after the ones that are already here). This will only end up in mass death/war over resources.
2. the enviroment. remember back when anyone who talked about it was just a hippie? the way we live is unhealthy for both the world and us. We build things that are designed not to last and thus to be replaced, made only for profit and are out of sync with nature. It's both inefficient and dangerous.
3. the war machine shows no signs of stopping. we are in a fucked up position were we help fund and propagate it by our very participation in much of society.
4. sexually we are fucked up, superstitious and dumb. homophobia/our hiv aids policies/our squeamishness and christian bullshit combines with our permissive hedonism to create a society of loneliness, repression, intolerance, sti's, unwanted pregnancies, lack of sufficient knowledge and unfufillment. crucial to all this is the view of the body as a commodity which is encouraged under capitalism.

you do know that over here in Christianland, married couples are averaging like 1.7 kids or so right? .... do you know how many kids a muslim family averages? guess.

also, good luck trying to convince the world to stop following God and start reading Philip K Dick. srsly good luck with that. are you high?

[Kloriel]

where the fuck did all that tea GO?!?