[Norma J]

I've been a meat-eater and a non-meat eater. I am the healthiest now than I ever have been - this applies to anybody that I know who doesn't eat meat.

Your cousin did not have to start eating meat, she chose to.

[SynthethicalY]

I respect your opinion Norma, but I think not everyone can afford to turn vegetarian. I mean meat is way cheaper than eating healthy. I hope you do know that for some it is the only option.

[Savage Clone]

You can eat vegan on the cheap.
Jesus fucking christ.


In any case, I have always thought the worst thing about being vegan was the connotations it casts on a person, which is the fault of a certain percentage of other vegans being annoying, strident, walking caricatures.

[Norma J]

I'm a poor student - I afford it.

[pbradley]

She only chose to eat meat because she's pregnant and was told by her doctor that her body required it. Have you ever gotten pregnant on a vegetarian diet? Becuase healthy in the everyday sense is actually different from healthy in the "with child" sense.

[Crumb's Crunchy Delights]

Vegetarians are often healthier because they have made a conscious choice about their diet and so put more thought into it. And it very often goes alongside a healthy lifestyle.

I don't think that eating meat is less healthy per se.

[Savage Clone]

I have known many people who were raised by vegetarians and turned out perfectly healthy or are vegetarians/vegans themselves and have raised healthy children. It requires research and effort is all.

In any case, I advocate compulsory sterilization for all humans anyway, so it's all academic to me.

[Crumb's Crunchy Delights]

Originally Posted by pbradley

She only chose to eat meat because she's pregnant and was told by her doctor that her body required it. Have you ever gotten pregnant on a vegetarian diet? Becuase healthy in the everyday sense is actually different from healthy in the "with child" sense.

You can have a healthy vegetarian pregnancy but the body needs lots of iron which comes most readily from meat.

[Norma J]

Exactly, Clone.

[pbradley]

That's probably the case. And since she has no ideological ties, I can see her opting for meat instead of popping vitamins. But the question is, if wanted, can a person get enough iron from vegetarian dishes without vitamins?

[Crumb's Crunchy Delights]

I think meat eating is more natural because there are so many things which occur in meat and fish which vegetarians have to find substitutes for.

[Crumb's Crunchy Delights]

Originally Posted by pbradley

That's probably the case. And since she has no ideological ties, I can see her opting for meat instead of popping vitamins. But the question is, if wanted, can a person get enough iron from vegetarian dishes without vitamins?

Green leafy vegetables, spinach etc. provide iron, as do pulses, which the body absorbs more readily if eaten with something containing vitamin c. So eat spinach and orange juice. But you have to eat a lot more than the equivalent meat, but veg doesn't have the fat and calories.

[Norma J]

Originally Posted by pbradley

That's probably the case. And since she has no ideological ties, I can see her opting for meat instead of popping vitamins. But the question is, if wanted, can a person get enough iron from vegetarian dishes without vitamins?

Yes - If you eat the right food. But that aplies to any diet.

Though vitamins help whether you eat meat or not. People who eat meat shouldn't just rely on meat for a stable diet.

[pbradley]

I personally don't understand the whole "evolved past cruelty/meat" explanation many vegetarians provide. I have a problem with the ideology over the action, to be specific. Eating vegetarian dishes because you don't like the taste of meat, for example, makes perfect sense to me.

[Savage Clone]

How about the environmentally wasteful argument?
Rock solid.

[pbradley]

Originally Posted by Norma J

People who eat meat shouldn't just rely on meat for a stable diet.

I have yet to meet one person that eats meat and only meat.

If I did, I would like think he/she is an idiot.

[Crumb's Crunchy Delights]

Originally Posted by Savage Clone

How about the environmentally wasteful argument?
Rock solid.

I don't think vegetarians alone can be blamed for environmental problems, but I take your point.

[pbradley]

Originally Posted by Savage Clone

How about the environmentally wasteful argument?
Rock solid.

Now that's an argument for organic farming. Which costs a fucking load.

[SpectralJulianIsNotDead]

Originally Posted by atsonicpark

be a vegan if you want, but why label yourself as a "vegan"? just be one! i hate people who label themselves -- "yeah, man, i'm STRAIGHT EDGE! hey, i'm STRAIGHT EDGE! look at the x's on my hand! I'M STRAIGHT EDGE -- GET IT?!" so yeah. i never understood that. i like people who are peaceful in life, not "i'm ANTI-PORN!" just don't watch it. "i'm VEGAN!" just be vegan and shut up...

anyway, how do I get my girl to swallow? she's done it twice and she hated it. i mean, i much prefer shooting it on her face, but it'd be nice if she swallowed more often. hmph. i mean, i swallow her vaginal juices when i'm eating her out and she's squirting all over the place!

Change her homepage to www.swallowdontspit.com

[Savage Clone]

Originally Posted by Crumb's Crunchy Delights

I don't think vegetarians alone can be blamed for environmental problems, but I take your point.

I hope you're joking about this. The raising of meat livestock is incredibly inefficient and wasteful when compared to vegetables and grains. Not to mention the methane gas issue, which I believe contributes even more to the greenhouse effect than CO2 emissions from human activity.