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Originally Posted by tesla69

Supposedly, they can't eve located the uranium fuel it has melted so far down into the bedrock.

This I did not know, and it could seriously change the entire equation. You've been talking about whats leaking into the water, which will degrade to safe levels in a relatively short time, less than a crude oil spill like the Exxon Valdeez or what the fuck Shell has been doing to Nigeria or Venezuela. However, if the fuel itself isn't contained, then we have a Chernobyl situation, where the hazard and risk increase rather than decrease. Radioactive contaminated water is one thing, but the fuel sources can continue to irradiate the entire plant. If such is the case with the fuel itself, then indeed you're right.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by Robert Schunk

Take a look at what happened to the cast and crew of a terrible 1950's film entitled "The Conqueror", filmed in the early 1950's downwind of the Nevada Test Site.

Interestingly even that incident mentions a correlation with tobacco smoking.. Sad just the same, as I said, folks who were in the four-corners regions from the earl 1950s through the 1960s test ban era ALL have elevated cancer rates. The problem is because of smoking and toxic living pretty must that entire generation has elevated cancer rates

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Director Dick Powell died of cancer in January 1963, seven years after the film's release. Pedro Armendáriz was diagnosed with kidney cancer in 1960, and committed suicide in 1963 after he learned his condition had become terminal. Hayward, Wayne, and Moorehead all died of cancer in the 1970s. Cast member actor John Hoyt died of lung cancer in 1991. Skeptics point to other factors such as the wide use of tobacco — Wayne and Moorehead in particular were heavy smokers

Dude, the people it talked about being affected by cancer in that movie shoot weren't Mormons from Saint George, Utah, they were movie people from LA, and it specifically said that the director and crew members who died from cancer were smokers

[tesla69]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

Dude, the people it talked about being affected by cancer in that movie shoot weren't Mormons from Saint George, Utah, they were movie people from LA, and it specifically said that the director and crew members who died from cancer were smokers

There's alwasy some talk that John Wayne's cancer came from this.

Arnie Gundersen, Fairewinds Chief Engineer: Unlike a cloud of smoke that passes over, Fukushima continues to spew cesium into the ocean and strontium too, I have to add. So the net effect is that the spigot hasn’t been turned off yet, and we’re contaminating the Pacific Ocean in the process […] It’s not heavier than water, it’s very, very small particles that sort of float almost like dust in air, so that it is moving in the entire water column across the Pacific. […] We’ve got contamination of the aquatic chain. […] the top of the food chain animals will likely become contaminated.


supposedly the radiation plum in the ocean is about to hit the west coast - so there must be something with a half life of more than 8 days int he plum or the "experts" would be harping on that

http://enenews.com/nytimes-unprecede...stion-is-why-v

New York Times, November 24, 2013: It began with the anchovies, miles and miles of them [...] in the waters of Monterey Bay. Then the sea lions came, by the thousands [...] the pelicans [...] bottlenose dolphins [in groups of 100 or more have been spotted] [...] But it was the whales that astounded even longtime residents — more than 200 humpbacks [...] and, on a recent weekend, a pod of 19 rowdy orcas [...] the water in every direction roiled with mammals [...] For almost three months, Monterey and nearby coastal areas have played host to a mammoth convocation of sea life that scientists here say is unprecedented in their memories [...] never that anyone remembers have there been this many or have they stayed so long [...] Last month, so many anchovies crowded into Santa Cruz harbor that the oxygen ran out, leading to a major die-off. Marine researchers are baffled about the reason for the anchovy explosion. [...]

[tesla69]

In July, it was confirmed that some 300 tonnes of underground water, which included contaminated water, were flowing into the sea every day. [...][frm Fukushima]

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Do you have any data to support this conjecture about elevated cancer rates for The Conqueror crew? Here is what a google search and five minutes found..

This sounds impressive until you do some basic research. According to the National Cancer Institute, at the time the article was written, the overall incidence of being diagnosed with cancer in a person's lifetime (age-adjusted) was about 40%. As it happens, this number still holds today. Thus, in a cohort of 220 people, 88 would be diagnosed with cancer at some point.

Its indisputable that there was a measurable increase in cancer among military personnel, scientists, and yes, ordinary folks living "downwind" in the four corners, but as to this particular incident and film crew I'm not as sure as there are "in scientific terms" many conflating variables

[tesla69]

http://www.eurasiareview.com/2711201...war-interview/

RJ: The government has set “legally acceptable” levels of contamination in food. For example, there is a legally allowable level for caesium in rice. So if some rice is contaminated above this legal level it is not removed from the food supply, but rather is mixed with uncontaminated rice until it is below this level. This is a process for moving contaminated food into the food supply, not excluding it.

[dead_battery]

what the fyuck?????????


a thread on nuclear where SUCHFRIENDS is the voice of reason and rationality answering every untruth for 2 pages with total calm good sense and intelligence?

bizarro.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by dead_battery

what the fyuck?????????


a thread on nuclear where SUCHFRIENDS is the voice of reason and rationality answering every untruth for 2 pages with total calm good sense and intelligence?

bizarro.

Have no fear for atomic energy,
'Cause none of them can stop the time.

even a broken clock is right twice a day!

though i'll admit i'm just trolling, because i haven't read this thread

[tesla69]

and in reaction, Japan is reverting to traditional repressive fascism...

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/201.../#.Upt386VRGf0

[tesla69]

[quote=SuchFriendsAreDangerous]
(a) The radiation coming out of Fukushima is much less dangerous than say Chernobyl, it has a much shorter half-life.

This page argues thousands of pounds of plutonium were rleeased intot he environment

http://nukeprofessional.blogspot.com...n-here-is.html

[tesla69]

The most scary instances of the sensitivity of the foetus to radiation are the sex ratio studies of Hagen Scherb, a German biostatician and member of the European Committee on Radiation Risk (ECRR). With his colleague Christina Voigt he has published a series of papers showing a sudden change in the sex ratio of newborns after various radiation exposure incidents.
Sex ratio, the number of boys born to 1,000 girls is a well accepted indicator of genetic damage and perturbations in the normal ratio of 1,050 (boys to 100 girls) are due to the deaths before birth of radiation damaged individuals of one sex or the other depending on whether the father (sperm) or mother (egg) was most exposed.
We found such an effect (more girls) in our study of Fallujah, Iraq, where there was exposure to Uranium weapons. But Scherb and Voigt have looked at the major catastrophes, Chernobyl, the weapons tests fallout, near nuclear sites in data from many countries of the world. Huge datasets.
They estimate that millions have babies have been killed by these subtle internal radiation exposures. The nuclear military project is responsible for an awful lot of deaths. In years to come I believe this will eventually be seen as the greatest public health scandal in human history.


http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/11/...fornia-babies/


When They ask at the Judgement Day, "Jim, what did you do about Fukushima?" I'll say, I posted about it on the Sonic Youth board.

[tesla69]

In the October case, homeless men were rounded up at Sendai's train station by Sasa, then put to work clearing radioactive soil and debris in Fukushima City for less than minimum wage, according to police and accounts of those involved. The men reported up through a chain of three other companies to Obayashi, Japan's second-largest construction company.
Obayashi, which is one of more than 20 major contractors involved in government-funded radiation removal projects, has not been accused of any wrongdoing. But the spate of arrests has shown that members of Japan's three largest criminal syndicates - Yamaguchi-gumi, Sumiyoshi-kai and Inagawa-kai - had set up black-market recruiting agencies under Obayashi.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...9BT00520131230

[tesla69]

There is talk there was a secret nuclear arms program at this site which is why no foreigners are allowed.

Oleg Dvoynikov, the editor-in-chief of Pro atom magazine, Jan. 22, 2014: “As far as the cooling of earth is concerned, surely, it’s possible to do it from a technical point of view. But they will need a nitrogen unit, practically, a plant working non-stop. It’s bad the Japanese won’t let any foreign experts visit the station. And there were offers of help, not only from Russia but from many other countries too [...] Even if the soil around the nuclear power plant is totally frozen, this won’t fully eliminate the danger [...] I believe that the liquidation of the Fukushima accident’s consequences might have been much better organized if the works were managed not by the company that operates the Fukushima plant but by the Japanese government. This would have made the works much more effective – and much cheaper. [...] The Japanese are behaving rather strangely [...] First, for some reason, they do not hurry to clean up the consequences of the catastrophe until the situation becomes very critical for the entire humankind. Then, they start to do something, but, again for some unknown reason, they invent very complicated decisions, although they might have invented foreign specialists who would have helped them to build waste treatment facilities a long time ago. This would have been much cheaper and much more effective.”
Igor Ostretsov, nuclear scientist and manager during 1986 Chernobyl disaster, Jan. 22, 2014: “It shouldn’t be forgotten that radioactive emissions at the Fukushima power plant are still taking place all the time since the beginning of the catastrophe. The reactors are cooling, the plant’s workers don’t know what they should do with the water that cools the reactors, and simply pour it into the sea. This may lead to nothing than elimination of fish resources, however toughly controlled the process may be.”

[tesla69]

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/03/...out-fukushima/

* every bluefin tuna caught in the waters off California in a Stanford University study was found to be contaminated with cesium-137,

* the Japanese government enacted a new State Secrets Act which can restrict—with a penalty of 10 years in jail—reporting on Fukushima.

* A death toll of up to 600,000 is estimated in a study conducted for the Nordic Probabilistic Safety Assessment Group which is run by the nuclear utilities of Finland and Sweden.

* it is now widely understood that there is no “safe” level of radioactivity. Any amount can kill.