Revolution - Page 2

Dead-Air · 05.06.2007, 08:15 PM

I voted for never, because revolutions don't really change anything. At least not the type generally thought of as revolutions - i.e. violent overthrowing of current governments.

I just watched this awesome movie, The Gladiators (The Peace Game), or in it's native tongue Gladiatorerna by British expatriate director Peter Watkins. This film won the Grand Prix at the Trieste International Science Fiction Film Festival, presumably in 1969 when it was released.

The basic concept of the movie is that the UN has decided that, in order to prevent World War III, it will turn warfare into a televised battle between small groups refereed by a computer. I didn't even realize how old this movie was until I was well into it, and it is surprisingly undated as well as prophetic (there wasn't much reality television besides Candid Camera back in '69, but today this seems spookily believable.) The one thing that most notably does date it is that the computer was represented by the classic IBM typewriter ball, but that still worked pretty well.

Anyway, there's a French soldier/game player who is dead set to be the first into "The Control Room" where he hopes to destroy the system and free everyone from it. He does get there, but then is asked what he will put in place of the system, and the best he can offer? A new system. The generals were much more threatened by two soldiers, a Brit and a Chinese Communist, who fall in love. But they had them beat to death by police.

val-holla-ing · 05.06.2007, 08:38 PM

the only revolution that matters was led by a tiny man with an affinity for tight pants and the color puple.

luxinterior · 05.06.2007, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by val-holla-ing

the only revolution that matters was led by a tiny man with an affinity for tight pants and the color puple.

I want to vote for this.

!@#$%! · 05.06.2007, 08:51 PM

who needs gladiators when you have this??

Dead-Air · 05.06.2007, 10:47 PM

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I want to vote for this.

Your chance is here.

krastian · 05.07.2007, 12:23 AM

Interesting question.....lets hope "within our lifetime" ie. lets hope the majority of the fuckheads soon die off and "we" can do what's right.

!@#$%! · 05.07.2007, 12:35 AM

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Interesting question.....lets hope "within our lifetime" ie. lets hope the majority of the fuckheads soon die off and "we" can do what's right.

fuckheads are born, bred and groomed on a daily basis. ever been to an ivy league campus? and how about those college republicans? ayn rand acolytes? fundamentalist christians? islamic fascists? scam artists? government bureaucrats? teacher's pets? angry meatheads? aryan supremacists? (those prussian blue chicks are like 13). generation after generation, shit people are born. hm that sounded almost like i stole it from buffy.

but anyway, the list goes on and on-- don't meant to shoot down your hopes, but... fuckheads reproduce faster than good people.

if you dont' believe me, watch "idiocracy"...

krastian · 05.07.2007, 12:42 AM

Very true, but I still think that the right inspired politician or politicans could (eventually) make the kind of "greedy/backward" gov't that is being alluded to (I think) in the thread a thing of the past.....it could happen.

I didn't mean fuckheads in general every day life....yes, these people will never die out.

!@#$%! · 05.07.2007, 01:09 AM

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anyway, just because power structures would be dismantled it doesn't mean we would see a return tribal culture. modern technology has vanquished such primitive struggles as the quest for plentiful and clean water, and if safeguards are set in place to prevent one person or group from obtaining too much power, a high level of education is mandatory for all and both genders will be equal, the concept of war will consigned to history.

oh, man, forget politics, you need to study biology. if you want to daydream a scenario where tribal instincts are genetically engineered out of our system, that would be one thing-- but you're reasoning like tribal behavior is something we choose rationally when facing certain struggles. sorry, we don't. tribal instincts are hardwired. we're social, we're tribal, we're hyerarchical; we waver between competition and cooperation; that's our nature.

i would *highly* recommend the readings of your compatriots richard dawkins and desmond morris. the books are a bit old (especially morris's), but they still make idiotic "cultural theorists" shit bloodclots of rage. why? because they hit the nail right on the head. from morris, the naked ape is a classic. from dawkins, the selfish gene. they will open your eyes and it will be terrifying but i'll promise you, it will be a revolution in your understanding of our very silly species. and they are FUN books!

cryptowonderdruginvogue · 05.07.2007, 01:10 AM

who cares

!@#$%! · 05.07.2007, 01:20 AM

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i think its became to cool to be stupid for any serious revolution to really ever take place.

maybe that is the revolution though?

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who cares

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repped crypto.

???

cryptowonderdruginvogue · 05.07.2007, 01:22 AM

i'm revolutionizing, maaaan

!@#$%! · 05.07.2007, 01:24 AM

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i'm revolutionizing, maaaan

beware of peasants with pitchforks, crypto-- they want your stuff

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ps since you're an italian cinema fan-- have you seen allonsanfan??

jico. · 05.07.2007, 01:26 AM

the mc5

cryptowonderdruginvogue · 05.07.2007, 01:28 AM

let them eat cake

also, yes, that is a very sad movie

jon boy · 05.07.2007, 04:50 AM

i would like to think it would happen within my lifetime but one asshole gets replaced by another.

05.07.2007, 05:33 AM

The timing is pretty irrelevant. A revolution will obviously happen, it's uncertain wether it will happen without tension or bloodbaths.

05.07.2007, 05:39 AM

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the world is a beautiful place but it's ruled by greedy morons, how long before their downfall is instigated?

There are people who work round the clock for that to happen. They just don't post on messageboards like us. In fact one of them once told me that if the moron who spent a huge portion of his time creating a website where a lot of the propaganda that comes from some of this non-government parties resides would have spent his time doing more constructive political activity, he would have done the world a better favour.

Toilet & Bowels · 05.07.2007, 05:46 AM

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The timing is pretty irrelevant. A revolution will obviously happen, it's uncertain wether it will happen without tension or bloodbaths.

Yay! i knew i'd be able to rely on you for some rational thought.

!@#$%! · 05.07.2007, 05:49 AM

yeah, the next revolution that will install the islamic republic of britannia.

View Poll Results: when will the man be overthrown?
in about 10 years	2	5.00%
within our lifetimes (generally speaking)	16	40.00%
about 100 years	7	17.50%
in far more than 100 years	1	2.50%
never	14	35.00%
Voters: 40. You may not vote on this poll

05.06.2007, 08:15 PM	#21
Dead-Air invito al cielo Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Portland OR Posts: 4,300	I voted for never, because revolutions don't really change anything. At least not the type generally thought of as revolutions - i.e. violent overthrowing of current governments. I just watched this awesome movie, The Gladiators (The Peace Game), or in it's native tongue Gladiatorerna by British expatriate director Peter Watkins. This film won the Grand Prix at the Trieste International Science Fiction Film Festival, presumably in 1969 when it was released. The basic concept of the movie is that the UN has decided that, in order to prevent World War III, it will turn warfare into a televised battle between small groups refereed by a computer. I didn't even realize how old this movie was until I was well into it, and it is surprisingly undated as well as prophetic (there wasn't much reality television besides Candid Camera back in '69, but today this seems spookily believable.) The one thing that most notably does date it is that the computer was represented by the classic IBM typewriter ball, but that still worked pretty well. Anyway, there's a French soldier/game player who is dead set to be the first into "The Control Room" where he hopes to destroy the system and free everyone from it. He does get there, but then is asked what he will put in place of the system, and the best he can offer? A new system. The generals were much more threatened by two soldiers, a Brit and a Chinese Communist, who fall in love. But they had them beat to death by police. __________________ FuckBook; My Band; My Radio Show; My Flickr Page; Science Fiction Message Board
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05.06.2007, 08:38 PM	#22
val-holla-ing invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: baton rouge. the 225, big raggedy. Posts: 2,731	the only revolution that matters was led by a tiny man with an affinity for tight pants and the color puple. __________________ please do not misconstrue the previous statement as an invitation for same sex relations or as negative towards anyone of another sexuality. -cam'ron (formerly "no homo")
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05.06.2007, 08:51 PM	#24
!@#$%! invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: mars attacks Posts: 42,566	who needs gladiators when you have this??
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05.07.2007, 12:23 AM	#26
krastian invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Baltimore Posts: 7,808	Interesting question.....lets hope "within our lifetime" ie. lets hope the majority of the fuckheads soon die off and "we" can do what's right. __________________ Confusion is next and next after that is the Truth.
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05.07.2007, 12:42 AM	#28
krastian invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Baltimore Posts: 7,808	Very true, but I still think that the right inspired politician or politicans could (eventually) make the kind of "greedy/backward" gov't that is being alluded to (I think) in the thread a thing of the past.....it could happen. I didn't mean fuckheads in general every day life....yes, these people will never die out. __________________ Confusion is next and next after that is the Truth.
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05.07.2007, 01:10 AM	#30
cryptowonderdruginvogue invito al cielo Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: the party Posts: 10,281	who cares
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05.07.2007, 01:22 AM	#32
cryptowonderdruginvogue invito al cielo Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: the party Posts: 10,281	i'm revolutionizing, maaaan
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05.07.2007, 01:26 AM	#34
jico. expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,417	the mc5
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05.07.2007, 01:28 AM	#35
cryptowonderdruginvogue invito al cielo Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: the party Posts: 10,281	let them eat cake also, yes, that is a very sad movie
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05.07.2007, 04:50 AM	#36
jon boy invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: psycho battery Posts: 12,161	i would like to think it would happen within my lifetime but one asshole gets replaced by another. __________________ Sarcasm[A] is stating the opposite of an intended meaning especially in order to sneeringly, slyly, jest or mock a person, situation or thing \|@ <------- Euphoric brain cell just moments before expiration V _ \ / _ PING <-------- moments later / \ http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ljhxq...isruo1_500.gif
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05.07.2007, 05:33 AM	#37
sarramkrop Posts: n/a	The timing is pretty irrelevant. A revolution will obviously happen, it's uncertain wether it will happen without tension or bloodbaths.
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05.07.2007, 05:49 AM	#40
!@#$%! invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: mars attacks Posts: 42,566	yeah, the next revolution that will install the islamic republic of britannia.
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