[atsonicpark]

nah, early sunny day real estate (lp2!) is the definition of emo. that and cap'n jazz.. promise ring.. yes, indian summer.. etc.

[Inhuman]

Originally Posted by atsonicpark

and cap'n jazz..

MUUUDDDDDD SLUSHY MUUUUDDDDD!!! Haven't heard that song in ages, let alone any of cap'n jazz material. There's earlier stuff than SDRE, it's just bands like SDRE and Mineral took emo and slowed it down, hence given the retarded name of "post emo". You should all still check out saetia though, they're amazing.

[jimbrim]

Originally Posted by Inhuman

You should all still check out saetia though, they're amazing.

I used to love them! havent heard them in ages.
Jawbox are another great early 'emo' band to check out.

[Inhuman]

Originally Posted by jimbrim

I used to love them! havent heard them in ages.
Jawbox are another great early 'emo' band to check out.

Haha, interesting because Burning Airlines were one of my favorite bands years ago (post-Jawbox). To be honest, I barely heard any stuff from Jawbox and certainly don't remember it if I had!

[jimbrim]

I'm the opposite! i've never heard Burning Airlines.
Well, with Jawbox, 'Novelty' is the best album to start with. You can stream a couple of tracks here http://www.dischord.com/downloads

[lungfish]

i like the discussion in this thread.
as opposed to other threads where people sound like they're 14 or something.
good to see people talk about emo in a true context.

i have one jawbox record
and a split ep of burning airlines and american football.
man, all those bands were great.

EDIT: the split is Burning Airlines and BRAID. excuse me. haha.

[jimbrim]

Originally Posted by lungfish

and a split ep of burning airlines and american football.

I didnt even know this existed. I really like American Football and a majority of other Kinsella related projects. Although, im not so keen on the latest Owen record.

[atsonicpark]

jawbox were fantastic.

if you ever notice, and i'm no guitar wizard, but they don't usually play traditional "chords", they make up their own! see, i like stuff like that. they were a popular -- i mean, not that popular, but they were on mtv for chrissakes, and who else can say that, ethyl meatplow? oh... -- band who had noise parts in their songs and made-up chords and used very slight alternate tunings. LOVED how they mixed their albums too, two guitars that sounded like 50. and they had these brilliant, haunting melodies. just great. great band. savory is honestly one of the best songs ever written. there's... i can't explain it.. listening to it now, as this thread has prompted me to do, has made me realize that there's just something so dark and sinister in this song.. but it's so beautiful too. damn.

speaking of jaws, jawbreaker.. another band, i dunno if you'd consider them emo, i don't really know what you'd consider them... they were fan fucking tastic as well. love dear you, which just had some amazing riffs and snotty vocals. fucking. and 24 hour revenge therapy, which is some kind of classic.

as far as saetia goes, i'd imagine them and .. envy perhaps? .. are considered the quintessential emo"core" bands. i think they're great, i'm never that excited to hear them, because i used to be all into this kind of stuff back in the day (the SUPER LOUD RAHHHHHHHHHHHHH to the quiet notes with delay to the RAHH RAHH RAHHHHHHH RAHHH RAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!)... but.. though it's tiresome, it is reeeally fucking good.

so yeah.

emo wasn't/isn't a bad genre. lots of great bands. loved the reaaaally emo bands where it sounded like the most fragile music ever being played by insane people on the verge of an emotional breakdown. but i'm not sure why the people dressed up in tight clothes and weird ass hair is considered "emo" now. but again, i do love the ladies in this scene. i mean, riley mason! she's emo! fuck!

[pbradley]

Wow, Jawbox sounds straight up my fucking alley. I'm surprised I haven't heard of them earlier.

[atsonicpark]

yes! they were great.

think fugazi but a little weirder and more straightforward (yes, that's a paradox, but when you hear them you'll know what i mean).

opinions will differ on their best album, but start with "for your own special sweetheart". that album has so many gems.

[jimbrim]

Originally Posted by atsonicpark

as far as saetia goes, i'd imagine them and .. envy perhaps? .. are considered the quintessential emo"core" bands. i think they're great, i'm never that excited to hear them, because i used to be all into this kind of stuff back in the day (the SUPER LOUD RAHHHHHHHHHHHHH to the quiet notes with delay to the RAHH RAHH RAHHHHHHH RAHHH RAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!)... but.. though it's tiresome, it is reeeally fucking good.

Are you talking about Envy the japenese band? i havent heard much of them to be honest, but i've quite liked what i've listened to. I've only discovered them recently though, as one of the members guests on the new Mogwai album.
Anyway, you've inspired me to listen to more of their stuff.

[atsonicpark]

yeah, the japanese band.

you REALLY have to be in the mood for them.. they can be quite boring if you don't feel like listening to it.. get "a dead sinking story"

[Norma J]

Originally Posted by atsonicpark

yes! they were great.

think fugazi but a little weirder and more straightforward (yes, that's a paradox, but when you hear them you'll know what i mean).

Jawbox bare no similarities to Fugazi what-so-ever, in my opinion.
Jawbox sound like they'd be more from Southern California than DC.

The band I'd compare them most to is Millencollin. Or a more kinder description would be - a watered down Hot Water Music.

[atsonicpark]

weird, because i have the entire hot water music catalogue for whatever reason and i don't see the similarities, except a similiar production style on hmw's last albums.

jawbox totally has a sub-dischord sound.. weird unconventional guitar sounds, very VERY solid rhythm section, odd structures.. straightforward but unconventional.

[phoenix]

its not emo anymore. its the same wanky subculture as its always been. they just listen to different crappy music. 9/10 of so called emo's just look like glam rockers.

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