20th Century Composers--- - Page 2

afterthefact · 08.10.2007, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Glice

Yet un-mentioned: Horatiu Radelescu, Iannis Xenakis, Kaija Sariaaho, Lutoslawski, Morton Feldman, Cornelius Cardew, Conlan Noncarrow, Schoenberg (really, you shouldn't forget him for any reason), Matsudaira, Toru Takemitsu, Takehisa Kosugi, Alban Berg (broaches 19th/20th century), Debussy (same), George Gershwin (mysteriously, I think he's utterly brilliant)...

There are others I've inevitably forgotten.

Thanks for bringing these out, especially the ones I bolded...

Dead-Air · 08.10.2007, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by sarramkrop

You make a good point as usual, but John Cale is far from being a reactionary. He's a huge fan of Dr Dre and he certainly is not the type afraid to use technology in his music. Listen to Hobo Sapiens (almost entirely an electronic record) alone, and you'll get what I mean. He likes some daft stuff like Beck though, the old bugger.

Sounds like Cale has come around a bit since the last time I bothered to read one of his interviews then. Mind that was ages ago, but it just turned me off severely to his opinions at the time. I also saw him live twice around that same time and it was horrible both times. Likely a low point in his career, he was playing in tiny bars so fucked up that he hit his face on the mic stand and didn't seem to notice. Chris Spedding sort of carried him through the first time, and the second time he was opening for Pere Ubu in a Seattle club with no reentry, so I just suffered through the same Neil Diamond wannabe set (seriously he was turning Paris 1919 into the Jazz Singer). Again, I know he's capable of much better, and in fact has done so since, but I was pretty put off back then.

I can't imagine a less appropriate thread to do it, but I gotta defend Beck too. I've seen him twice, both times when I didn't exactly choose too, and each time was completely blown away by his good sense on stage. He's a real showman and yeah the songs only have a smidge of substance, but sometimes charisma and a few hooks is enough.

Dead-Air · 08.10.2007, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheriff Rhys Chatham

minus a few plus some more.
Yeah good list.

Morton Feldman
Glenn branca
rhys chatham
virgil moorefiled did some cool stuff and wharton tiers

Can't believe I didn't list Branca, but you always forget somebody major I suppose. Chatham too would be on my list. Since I was doing my own faves rather than historically relevant, I elected to leave off Feldman. I know I'll get into his music more one of these days, because I can see why I should, but I've never connected qute right at the right time so far.

afterthefact · 08.11.2007, 07:20 AM

I'm actually not a big Chatham fan. I know it goes against popular consensus to say that, but his stuff just bores me.

Torn Curtain · 08.11.2007, 09:10 AM

Debussy
Ravel
Mahler
Morricone
Tim Buckley (Starsailor is hugely influenced by Ligeti, Xenakis, Varèse, Messiaen and Luciano Berio)
Jean-Claude Vannier and Michel Colombier's work with Serge Gainsbourg
Villa-Lobos

Glice · 08.11.2007, 09:36 AM

Has anyone else noticed that Zorn is mostly utterly shite, and then mysteriously every now and then he'll produce something achingly beautiful?

I hope no-one's mentioned Zappa yet. Boy, is he ever shit.

08.11.2007, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Glice

Has anyone else noticed that Zorn is mostly utterly shite, and then mysteriously every now and then he'll produce something achingly beautiful?

I hope no-one's mentioned Zappa yet. Boy, is he ever shit.

Zappa is not a composer,twat.

Glice · 08.11.2007, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by sarramkrop

Zappa is not a composer,twat.

Fuck off, cuntface.

Glice · 08.11.2007, 09:45 AM

[For anyone interested, I once had an argument for about an hour that ended in fisticuffs, the subject of which was Zappa - the chap contended that Zappa was 'the best composer of the 20th-century' I pointed out that he was neither a composer nor the best anything (u2, for instance, win the 'most annoying thing ever' award, with the Manic Street Preachers a close second). This is the providence of my statement, which will now, no doubt, dissolve into an insult match between me and that fascist queer].

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08.11.2007, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Glice

Fuck off, cuntface.

Candy?

Glice · 08.11.2007, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by sarramkrop

Candy?

I'm going to eat your kidneys.

SynthethicalY · 08.11.2007, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Glice

[For anyone interested, I once had an argument for about an hour that ended in fisticuffs, the subject of which was Zappa - the chap contended that Zappa was 'the best composer of the 20th-century' I pointed out that he was neither a composer nor the best anything (u2, for instance, win the 'most annoying thing ever' award, with the Manic Street Preachers a close second). This is the providence of my statement, which will now, no doubt, dissolve into an insult match between me and that fascist queer].

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Was it porky?

08.11.2007, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Glice

I'm going to eat your kidneys.

Go ahead. Chew the dick if your mouth gets there. Tasty.

Glice · 08.11.2007, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by sarramkrop

Go ahead. Chew the dick if your mouth gets there. Tasty.

You look Welsh.

Torn Curtain · 08.17.2007, 05:30 PM

Bump 'cause that's a good thread

racehorse · 08.17.2007, 06:18 PM

right now i'm listening to a great record called "desert ambulance" by ramon sender & pauline oliveros. it's early electronica, kinda reminiscent of delia derbyshire crossed with sun-ra style moog psych freak outs with sampled accordian ala oliveros. it's beautiful stuff.

Washing Machine · 08.17.2007, 06:36 PM

Schoenberg
Webern
Berg
Bartok
Debussy
Ravel
Glass
Yoko Ono
Reich
Cage
Maciunas
Stockhausen
Oliveros
Cardew
Branca
Shostakovich
Copland
Bernstein
Sondheim
Gershwin
Penderecki
John Cale
Wolff
Scott Walker (kind of a composer)

I feel like im leaving loads out, add more later when I think of them

racehorse · 08.17.2007, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Washing Machine

Schoenberg
Webern
Berg
Bartok
Debussy
Ravel
Glass
Yoko Ono
Reich
Cage
Maciunas
Stockhausen
Oliveros
Cardew
Branca
Shostakovich
Copland
Bernstein
Sondheim
Gershwin
Penderecki
John Cale
Wolff
Scott Walker (kind of a composer)

I feel like im leaving loads out, add more later when I think of them

alan sondheim... nice!
great poet, fab composer.

Washing Machine · 08.21.2007, 03:25 PM

Cant let this thread die its too interesting

Glice · 08.22.2007, 06:24 AM

I heard the premiere of John Adams' Doctor Atomic Symphony. I usually avoid Adams like the plague, but this was pretty outstanding... reminded me of Lutoslawski at his more raucous in some parts (especially what I assume was the third movement).

You can listen to some of the proms (British classical music festival) here.

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afterthefact invito al cielo Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Lexington, KY Posts: 3,886	I'm actually not a big Chatham fan. I know it goes against popular consensus to say that, but his stuff just bores me. __________________ "She hated people who thought too much. At that moment, she struck me as an appropriate representative for almost all mankind." - Kurt Vonnegut Cat's Cradle
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Torn Curtain invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: France Posts: 7,997	Debussy Ravel Mahler Morricone Tim Buckley (Starsailor is hugely influenced by Ligeti, Xenakis, Varèse, Messiaen and Luciano Berio) Jean-Claude Vannier and Michel Colombier's work with Serge Gainsbourg Villa-Lobos
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Torn Curtain invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: France Posts: 7,997	Bump 'cause that's a good thread
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racehorse 100% Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 784	right now i'm listening to a great record called "desert ambulance" by ramon sender & pauline oliveros. it's early electronica, kinda reminiscent of delia derbyshire crossed with sun-ra style moog psych freak outs with sampled accordian ala oliveros. it's beautiful stuff. __________________ She holds the room up by talk alone
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Washing Machine expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Cardiff, Spiderland Posts: 1,465	Schoenberg Webern Berg Bartok Debussy Ravel Glass Yoko Ono Reich Cage Maciunas Stockhausen Oliveros Cardew Branca Shostakovich Copland Bernstein Sondheim Gershwin Penderecki John Cale Wolff Scott Walker (kind of a composer) I feel like im leaving loads out, add more later when I think of them __________________ ....Of Course its some kinda cosmic payback for being too ironic!
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Washing Machine expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Cardiff, Spiderland Posts: 1,465	Cant let this thread die its too interesting __________________ ....Of Course its some kinda cosmic payback for being too ironic!
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