[Dead-Air]

Originally Posted by swa(y)

i was talking about mike ziegler, unless mike and jerry are secretly the same person???

jk.

Oops. Yeah, I was talking about Mike too, and somewhere along the lines I transposed his brother's name in there. I'm sure they'd both want to kill me.

[Toilet & Bowels]

Originally Posted by Cantankerous

the only real lapse in judgement you've exercised that i can recall perhaps other than the whole death metal thing and cutting your hair off.

it was black metal, plus there was my indifference towards bowie.

[Savage Clone]

Mani N. of Guru Guru totally lived up last night. Guy still completely rules the kit.

[forkimified]

I really enjoyed Damo Suzuki when he came here... except for some saxaphone player who didn't seem to really understand what was going on, and also tried to sing. Also, these dudes where playing with him: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...id=112 488538

Also legendary was (the Canadian) David Wilcox. It was also amusing to hear drunken college students yelling "PLAY FUCKING RIVERBOAT FANTASY!"

Don't know if I've seen any other 'legends'. However, I'm seeing Ruins next week... we'll see how that turns out...

[pantophobia]

i haven't seen many that have underwhelmed me or just straight up bad (even the Stooges at ATP focused on the hits and not the new stuff), the only ones i can think of in retrospect are Aerosmith and The Slits (who weren't bad but seemed out of place in the venue)

as for mind blowing
SY
Sun City Girls
Gang of Four
Wu-Tang Clan
KRS-One
Half Japanese

[jennthebenn]

Originally Posted by pantophobia

i haven't seen many that have underwhelmed me or just straight up bad (even the Stooges at ATP focused on the hits and not the new stuff), the only ones i can think of in retrospect are Aerosmith and The Slits (who weren't bad but seemed out of place in the venue)

as for mind blowing
SY
Sun City Girls
Gang of Four
Wu-Tang Clan
KRS-One
Half Japanese

where's Sabbath?

[Tokolosh]

Saw Gorilla Biscuits last night, and they turned the place upside down.
Reminded me of the good old days when New York hardcore was at it's peak.

[pantophobia]

Originally Posted by jennthebenn

where's Sabbath?

i suppose so, i don't think it was mind blowing, but they were great

Blinding - Sonic Youth and Coil.

Hideous - The Velvet Underground.

So So - Damo Suzuki, but I left earlier.

Can't classify - The Fall (They were a right mess, but entertaining nonetheless)

[Tokolosh]

Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels

bad legends: kool keith

I totally agree. One of the shittest live acts I've ever seen. I couldn't believe he playbacked the whole show. What a cunt.

Unexpectedly good - Death In June ( I wasn't really expecting them to be that good)

[Dead-Air]

Originally Posted by pantophobia

i haven't seen many that have underwhelmed me or just straight up bad (even the Stooges at ATP focused on the hits and not the new stuff), the only ones i can think of in retrospect are Aerosmith and The Slits (who weren't bad but seemed out of place in the venue)

as for mind blowing
SY
Sun City Girls
Gang of Four
Wu-Tang Clan
KRS-One
Half Japanese

Oh yeah Gang of Four should have been on my list of Legends who deserved it. Interesting to compare them to Savage Republic who are significantly younger, but who seemed physically tired trying to play their old energetic songs, while Gang of Four wore me out instead by making me dance as hard as Andy was! Amazing how much vocal control he still has, enough of it's pure voice that you know it's not being faked by effects.

Blinding - The Wire, Nirvana and Maureen Tucker.

[Toilet & Bowels]

i forgot about gang of four & coil, they were both excellent

[sonicl]

Resurgent legend: Nick Cave. He's an undeniable God as far as I'm concerned, but even I will admit that his recorded output been sub-par for a while. However, live Grinderman is up there with prime Bad Seeds.

[LittlePuppetBoy]

Only legend I've seen was ian Mackaye in the Evens. Great Show!!!!

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by Dead-Air

Did I miss something? Were you in the audience at the show I was at fifteen years ago? I'll maintain that I'd expect if I saw him tomorrow, he'd still be quite passable, and every bit deserving of his legend, but I wouldn't delude myself that it's not likely decades past his most intense work.

you did. were you not at the show I just saw of Burning Spear two weeks ago, and let me tell you something, the Spear was running that crowd of 15000 at the hollywood bowl. Reggae is not like rock, it does not have to progress. The Abyssinians made ONE ALBUM IN 38 YEARS and it still one of the most popular, important and influential albums of ALL TIME, and when I saw the Abyssinians three weeks ago I dropped to my knees in tears it was so perfect, as much as it was any time ago. The same is with the Spear, the tunes he does are perfect, and he still does them with as much zeal and energy as ever, if not more I say...

[Dead-Air]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

you did. were you not at the show I just saw of Burning Spear two weeks ago, and let me tell you something, the Spear was running that crowd of 15000 at the hollywood bowl. Reggae is not like rock, it does not have to progress. The Abyssinians made ONE ALBUM IN 38 YEARS and it still one of the most popular, important and influential albums of ALL TIME, and when I saw the Abyssinians three weeks ago I dropped to my knees in tears it was so perfect, as much as it was any time ago. The same is with the Spear, the tunes he does are perfect, and he still does them with as much zeal and energy as ever, if not more I say...

I believe you as far as the show you were at, and I'm glad to hear it, but I still think I'm a fair enough judge of music and performance regardless of genre, to judge the night I was at (which is what I was reviewing, NOT the night you were at.) He was great that night, I said as much, however, I didn't get the impression that I was seeing the best performance he had ever given. I was thrilled to see someone who I think is deserving of his legend, but I didn't feel like I was seeing a show that was entirely up to par to that legend, great though it still was. Could there be another night in the future after that one where I would feel differently? Of course there might, just as I might see Damo Suzuki again in a year and really be impressed with the show despite what I saw Sunday night.

I really don't buy this attitude that a genre is somehow different from another genre in terms of "progression". There are rock artists, jazz artists, and country artists who have made a single album and been hugely influential for decades. And there are reggae artists, the same as any other genre, who have made career changes driven by market motivations or dwindling creativity that have resulted in them not being as good as they were before. I'm NOT accusing Burning Spear of this, and never did. I just didn't see him as "perfect", merely "really good" on the night that I got to see him.

If I had been at the show you were at, I might well have reacted as you did. When I saw the Cramps they were putting out albums that weren't "progressing" from their earlier work to say the least, but I was still floored by the energy and vitality of their live gig and definitely thought the band I saw deserved every ounce of legend they'd earned. Which to me sounds very similar to what you experienced with Spear despite them being a "rock" band and him being a "reggae" artist. Me, I'm not wedded to any one genre in the slightest, and if I were, rock wouldn't likely be that high on the list these days. I think it's all about the individual artist or group and what they have to give regardless of what section their music gets filed under in record stores and on iTunes.

[jonathan]

I'm not going to put a lot of thought into this... but...

Dylan was terrible
Sonic Youth fucking ruled
Shellac also fucking ruled... Shellac FUCKING ruled.
Melt Banana never disappoints but has gotten progressively worse each time I've seen them.
That Henry Rollins/Black Flag tour was definitely good.
ICP Orchestra was god damn ridiculous.
Joe McPhee was mediocre.
I saw the "Silver Apples" last night and I got bored.

missed Jandek TWICE due to my scheduling ineptitude... would have loved to have seen him.

[Cantankerous]

speaking of shellac etc the touch + go 25th anniversary party was great.