So I Finally Heard Rather Ripped - Page 2

atari 2600 · 05.27.2006, 12:27 AM

The presence of so much melody is nice on Rather Ripped, yeah, but it's way more same-y regarding the styles that are presented.

The songs are more concise, tuneful, stripped-down & far less jammy & more rockin' for the most part than those on Sonic Nurse.

Speaking of "jammy", Jams Run Free is the worst track on the album. It's no JC or even Side2Side. What A Waste is not too spectacular either & comes off like a filler track & waste of space. Or is weaker than the rest as well, but at least it's something new.

It might have been a bold experiment that benefited the overall result to have the album start off with Rats instead of Reena.

Sonic Nurse is the album that's their best since Washing Machine, but again, in the final analysis, I can't help but say good riddance to Jim.

atari 2600 · 05.27.2006, 12:50 AM

Good Shit, yeah, that would have been cool. I like Rather Ripped as a title okay though. Do You Believe in Rapture? would have also worked as a title too. That song is one of the most original things they've done in such a long time. I wish it were longer. It's a great one & would have been worthy of a title track. In the end they shied away, but in a way, it would have suited the feel of the album.

atsonicpark · 05.27.2006, 12:53 AM

Rather wretched.

khchris(original) · 05.27.2006, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by alyasa

But then again, IMO A Thousand Leaves was all about atmosphere... Guitar bleeps and textures, culminating in a soundscape that is tethered to a song structure. IMO.

Exactly! You could've gotten the same atmosphere...they just didn't need to be so repetitive and drawn out.

EVOL is a great example. Some great sounds and atmosphere, textures, layers, but done in a more direct and shorter period.

khchris(original) · 05.27.2006, 01:06 AM

All I know is I have found myself listening to RATHER RIPPED way more than any SY release in the post-Washing Machine era SY after hearing the album for the first time.

It is much better, more direct and in the spirit of what SY is really about. Sonic Nurse was the best SY in the Jim O'Rouke era, but Rather Ripped hasn't even come out and it's already surpassed what Sonic Nurse had even become.

I think Rather Ripped may not connect as much to fans who got into SY after Washing Machine because it's not what those fans envision SY to be about. Like some here, they like the drawn out 7 minute SY songs. I love the 3-4 minute jams that are fierce, aggressive great guitar but melodic.

Less is more.

atari 2600 · 05.27.2006, 01:08 AM

It was John of Patmos, not John the Baptist, that wrote the Book of Revelations. There is some debate about another author as well whose work got attributed to John of Patmos...

& No.

That part in Turquoise Boy goes into a noisefest straight outta Mote; the title is taken from a book about Navajos.
Sleepin' Around sounds lifted from VU's Foggy Notion.

I would be surprised if Sonic Youth doesn't play Neil Young's Bridge School Benefit with this material. Much of it comes off as written by Thurston on an acoustic as has been the case for the last few records & a good bit of the mostly straight-forward end product seems ideally suited to be adapted to acoustic guitars. Thurston's hand can be felt more than ever. The band will finally be able to play in Mountain View & not seem musically challenged.

alyasa · 05.27.2006, 04:18 AM

Of course, most SY fans see them touring with Pearl Jam as a bad thing. I for one, think their eponymous album is one of their strongest since Vitalogy. Americana?

kingcoffee · 05.27.2006, 03:18 PM

Of course I have heard GOO and Dirty. I have both of the deluxe editions as well as the originals. And there is noise on all albums! I know theat they have added a considerable amount of melody and pop songcraft to their work since their days as a No Wave band in the early 80's, but there is still noise freakouts and dissonance on a lot of their songs from almost all of their records. Te new album just doesn't please me. I'm not saying it's crap, I'm just saying it's sub par. The album feels rushed and thrown together. The band members spend so much time focusing on other things in theirlives (solo projects, side projects, small indie record labels, family) that the album just doesn' seem all that solid. It feels empty, hollow, and underdeveloped. but maybe it's just the way the album was mixed. I dont know, I wasnt around them while they were thinkning this stuff up. All I know is that in my opinion, Rather Ripped is one of the weaker albums Sonic Youth has ever made. It has the genesis of good musical ideas that fall flat. It's like the band wasn't trying all that hard to make a great album.

khchris(original) · 05.27.2006, 05:28 PM

"It's like the band wasn't trying all that hard to make a great album."-kingcoffee

Ouch! That's a bit harsh, don't you think? Did you get into SY before or after Washing Machine came out?

atsonicpark · 05.27.2006, 05:33 PM

A Thousand Leaves was their last real stroke of brilliance, though Murray Street had some awesome shit.

This album... sorry... if you pay $15 or whatever for this, you're doing a great injustice to about a million good bands with good albums that deserve that money even more..

khchris(original) · 05.28.2006, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by atsonicpark

A Thousand Leaves was their last real stroke of brilliance, though Murray Street had some awesome shit.

This album... sorry... if you pay $15 or whatever for this, you're doing a great injustice to about a million good bands with good albums that deserve that money even more..

like "cherubs"?(do you really like them?)

Neongod · 05.28.2006, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by atsonicpark

A Thousand Leaves was their last real stroke of brilliance, though Murray Street had some awesome shit.

This album... sorry... if you pay $15 or whatever for this, you're doing a great injustice to about a million good bands with good albums that deserve that money even more..

Though I totally disagree with you (except that ATL was a stroke of brilliance albeit not their last), you just reminded me of a great memory. It was the day I learned that Blink-182 had broken up. I was so pleased to hear that, which is mean, but for the sake of music it was necessary.

So...yeah...RR is great.

Case in point on later brilliance: Rain On Tin. Hip Priest, get my back on this one.

Toilet & Bowels · 05.29.2006, 10:12 AM

love is truely blind you saps, rather ripped is a crap record. it sounds like sonic youth are big fans of the killers now.

trainyard bliss · 05.29.2006, 10:49 AM

it's interesting to see that many of those who don't like the record are more aggressive about voicing their opinion, while a lot of those who are satisfied seem content to simply state what they think and why without exaggeration or name-calling.

i haven't heard much yet, but i expect i'll like it. i'm fairly hard to disappoint anyway.

umjammer atomsk · 05.29.2006, 12:32 PM

I like it a lot. I miss the more experimental sy albums but I don't care. This is good for the most part and I think I'm at least satisified. I loved sonic nurse though and I think it is waaay better than rather ripped.

mattconfusion · 05.29.2006, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by selkcip

murray street is without a doubt the most boring sy record.

don't agree with this...i've always thought is a mature record, one of the most naive.... nurse was worse than murray street which i really loved.... if rather ripped is better than everything released since washing machine, which is a real masterpiece, it will be a great thing.
i'm tired of people saying everutime anew sy record comes out that sy are going to sell out soon, switch to pop or bullshits like that... WE KNOW THEIR INTEGRITY!!

khchris(original) · 05.29.2006, 02:31 PM

I think it's funny when people talk about SY as an "experimental" band or that their music is "experimental".(hehehe)

They haven't done anything remotely experimental since 85.

whorefrost · 05.29.2006, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by khchris(original)

I think it's funny when people talk about SY as an "experimental" band or that their music is "experimental".(hehehe)

They haven't done anything remotely experimental since 85.

ever heard any SYR records, son?

kingcoffee · 05.29.2006, 03:11 PM

Oh, come one, they are far more experimental than any other popular rock band right now. Turn on the radio. Do you hear anything as edgy and experimental as SY? NO, you don't. So SY aren't as experimental as they were in the early 80's. That doesn't mean that they stil don't experiment with feedback and other techniques. I think you have to stop comparing their more structured alternative rock material to their early NO Wave stuff. It's very different. Experimental music doesn't necessarily mean extreme dissonance. It's just deviating from the norm of the pop rock scene.

kingcoffee · 05.29.2006, 03:18 PM

And what does my getting into Sonic Youth before or after Washing Machine have to do with anything? The first song I heard by SY was KIll Yr. Idols about five years ago. I loved it. I then went on to Daydream Nation, which totally changed my perspective of alternative music. From there on I went chronologically starting with: EVOL, Sister, DN, Goo, Dirty, (I skipped Experimental, Jet Set, but I heard a few tracks which were pretty good), Washing Machine which I loved, NYC Ghosts and Flowers, Murry Street and Sonic Nurse. I loved them all. Some were better than others. But I loved them. I was totally into every record. Every record was uniquely different in it's own way. But they all had that same crazy SY vibe. But Rather Ripped just doesn't have it. It doesn't have that vibe. I really think that the band threw together an album becuz they dont have much time left on DGC.

05.27.2006, 12:27 AM	#21
atari 2600 invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 8,212	The presence of so much melody is nice on Rather Ripped, yeah, but it's way more same-y regarding the styles that are presented. The songs are more concise, tuneful, stripped-down & far less jammy & more rockin' for the most part than those on Sonic Nurse. Speaking of "jammy", Jams Run Free is the worst track on the album. It's no JC or even Side2Side. What A Waste is not too spectacular either & comes off like a filler track & waste of space. Or is weaker than the rest as well, but at least it's something new. It might have been a bold experiment that benefited the overall result to have the album start off with Rats instead of Reena. Sonic Nurse is the album that's their best since Washing Machine, but again, in the final analysis, I can't help but say good riddance to Jim.
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05.27.2006, 12:50 AM	#22
atari 2600 invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 8,212	Good Shit, yeah, that would have been cool. I like Rather Ripped as a title okay though. Do You Believe in Rapture? would have also worked as a title too. That song is one of the most original things they've done in such a long time. I wish it were longer. It's a great one & would have been worthy of a title track. In the end they shied away, but in a way, it would have suited the feel of the album.
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05.27.2006, 12:53 AM	#23
atsonicpark invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 28,843	Rather wretched. __________________
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05.27.2006, 01:06 AM	#25
khchris(original) 100% Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: LA Posts: 708	All I know is I have found myself listening to RATHER RIPPED way more than any SY release in the post-Washing Machine era SY after hearing the album for the first time. It is much better, more direct and in the spirit of what SY is really about. Sonic Nurse was the best SY in the Jim O'Rouke era, but Rather Ripped hasn't even come out and it's already surpassed what Sonic Nurse had even become. I think Rather Ripped may not connect as much to fans who got into SY after Washing Machine because it's not what those fans envision SY to be about. Like some here, they like the drawn out 7 minute SY songs. I love the 3-4 minute jams that are fierce, aggressive great guitar but melodic. Less is more.
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05.27.2006, 01:08 AM	#26
atari 2600 invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 8,212	It was John of Patmos, not John the Baptist, that wrote the Book of Revelations. There is some debate about another author as well whose work got attributed to John of Patmos... & No. That part in Turquoise Boy goes into a noisefest straight outta Mote; the title is taken from a book about Navajos. Sleepin' Around sounds lifted from VU's Foggy Notion. I would be surprised if Sonic Youth doesn't play Neil Young's Bridge School Benefit with this material. Much of it comes off as written by Thurston on an acoustic as has been the case for the last few records & a good bit of the mostly straight-forward end product seems ideally suited to be adapted to acoustic guitars. Thurston's hand can be felt more than ever. The band will finally be able to play in Mountain View & not seem musically challenged.
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05.27.2006, 04:18 AM	#27
alyasa invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Singapore Posts: 3,791	Of course, most SY fans see them touring with Pearl Jam as a bad thing. I for one, think their eponymous album is one of their strongest since Vitalogy. Americana? __________________ Sab Kuch Tick Tock Hai
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05.27.2006, 03:18 PM	#28
kingcoffee expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,510	Of course I have heard GOO and Dirty. I have both of the deluxe editions as well as the originals. And there is noise on all albums! I know theat they have added a considerable amount of melody and pop songcraft to their work since their days as a No Wave band in the early 80's, but there is still noise freakouts and dissonance on a lot of their songs from almost all of their records. Te new album just doesn't please me. I'm not saying it's crap, I'm just saying it's sub par. The album feels rushed and thrown together. The band members spend so much time focusing on other things in theirlives (solo projects, side projects, small indie record labels, family) that the album just doesn' seem all that solid. It feels empty, hollow, and underdeveloped. but maybe it's just the way the album was mixed. I dont know, I wasnt around them while they were thinkning this stuff up. All I know is that in my opinion, Rather Ripped is one of the weaker albums Sonic Youth has ever made. It has the genesis of good musical ideas that fall flat. It's like the band wasn't trying all that hard to make a great album.
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05.27.2006, 05:28 PM	#29
khchris(original) 100% Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: LA Posts: 708	"It's like the band wasn't trying all that hard to make a great album."-kingcoffee Ouch! That's a bit harsh, don't you think? Did you get into SY before or after Washing Machine came out?
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05.27.2006, 05:33 PM	#30
atsonicpark invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 28,843	A Thousand Leaves was their last real stroke of brilliance, though Murray Street had some awesome shit. This album... sorry... if you pay $15 or whatever for this, you're doing a great injustice to about a million good bands with good albums that deserve that money even more.. __________________
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05.29.2006, 10:12 AM	#33
Toilet & Bowels invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern Europe Posts: 12,273	love is truely blind you saps, rather ripped is a crap record. it sounds like sonic youth are big fans of the killers now.
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05.29.2006, 10:49 AM	#34
trainyard bliss little trouble girl Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: berkeley, california Posts: 76	it's interesting to see that many of those who don't like the record are more aggressive about voicing their opinion, while a lot of those who are satisfied seem content to simply state what they think and why without exaggeration or name-calling. i haven't heard much yet, but i expect i'll like it. i'm fairly hard to disappoint anyway.
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05.29.2006, 12:32 PM	#35
umjammer atomsk the end of the ugly Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 889	I like it a lot. I miss the more experimental sy albums but I don't care. This is good for the most part and I think I'm at least satisified. I loved sonic nurse though and I think it is waaay better than rather ripped. __________________
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05.29.2006, 02:31 PM	#37
khchris(original) 100% Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: LA Posts: 708	I think it's funny when people talk about SY as an "experimental" band or that their music is "experimental".(hehehe) They haven't done anything remotely experimental since 85.
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05.29.2006, 03:11 PM	#39
kingcoffee expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,510	Oh, come one, they are far more experimental than any other popular rock band right now. Turn on the radio. Do you hear anything as edgy and experimental as SY? NO, you don't. So SY aren't as experimental as they were in the early 80's. That doesn't mean that they stil don't experiment with feedback and other techniques. I think you have to stop comparing their more structured alternative rock material to their early NO Wave stuff. It's very different. Experimental music doesn't necessarily mean extreme dissonance. It's just deviating from the norm of the pop rock scene.
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05.29.2006, 03:18 PM	#40
kingcoffee expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,510	And what does my getting into Sonic Youth before or after Washing Machine have to do with anything? The first song I heard by SY was KIll Yr. Idols about five years ago. I loved it. I then went on to Daydream Nation, which totally changed my perspective of alternative music. From there on I went chronologically starting with: EVOL, Sister, DN, Goo, Dirty, (I skipped Experimental, Jet Set, but I heard a few tracks which were pretty good), Washing Machine which I loved, NYC Ghosts and Flowers, Murry Street and Sonic Nurse. I loved them all. Some were better than others. But I loved them. I was totally into every record. Every record was uniquely different in it's own way. But they all had that same crazy SY vibe. But Rather Ripped just doesn't have it. It doesn't have that vibe. I really think that the band threw together an album becuz they dont have much time left on DGC.
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