[Pookie]

Originally Posted by dale_gribble

i don't mind that your mind is narrow, however you seem so sure of yourself. i might have opposing opinions but at least i admit i have no idea if they're true or not.

You accuse me of being sure of myself as if that's a bad thing.

[Keeping It Simple]

Originally Posted by ni'k

is it possible?

im talking about obe's and the whole astral projection thing were you are supposed to be able to go whereever you like and you can see your body from across the room.

later i will finish this post with links and quotes and shit.

No.

[Pookie]

Originally Posted by floatingslowly

once infinity is added to the equation, probability and possibility become matters of "when" and not "if".

No they don't.

[Pookie]

Originally Posted by SONIC GAIL

All things are possible to he that believeth.

No they're not.

[floatingslowly]

Originally Posted by Pookie

No they don't.

please take yr grievances up with Brian Greene and Stephen Hawking.

it's quantum physics 101.

[SpectralJulianIsNotDead]

I had a dream I was in this huge mansion flying low inside it and carrying Steve Martin by the shoulders. I said to him "I wonder if ghosts are just people dreaming, like we are now?" Then I woke up.

[SpectralJulianIsNotDead]

Originally Posted by Keeping It Simple

No.

What hubris you have to declare something impossible!

For everything that scientists know about our universe, there are infinitely more things that they don't know!

Not to mention the possibility of other universes, a corporeal and ethereal world, etc.

I'm not saying I necessarily believe everything, just that I don't believe I know enough to outright dismiss them.

[Keeping It Simple]

Originally Posted by SpectralJulianIsNotDead

I had a dream I was in this huge mansion flying low inside it and carrying Steve Martin by the shoulders. I said to him "I wonder if ghosts are just people dreaming, like we are now?" Then I woke up.

I once had a vivid dream of me playing catch the ball with Julia Roberts. The ball was coloured a very bright red. I haven't yet read a media report of someone spotting two ghosts, one of them looking remarkably like Julia Roberts, playing catch the ball.

[Keeping It Simple]

Originally Posted by SpectralJulianIsNotDead

What hubris you have to declare something impossible!

For everything that scientists know about our universe, there are infinitely more things that they don't know!

Not to mention the possibility of other universes, a corporeal and ethereal world, etc.

I'm not saying I necessarily believe everything, just that I don't believe I know enough to outright dismiss them.

You sound like H.P.Lovecraft.

[Rob Instigator]

I am cool with "astrl projection/OBE's" as a personal experience, as a means to explain what one's mind does sometimes, but I have yet to hear/read/see any actual real-world use of this that was not either a hoax, a delusion, a hallucination, etc.

if there is a divine "spirit" permeating the multi-verse, and if we are all ofshoots of this "spirit" then maybe astral projections and OBE's are just people describing their contact with the divine.

it's like how Uri Geller can conveniently bend metal when he feels like it, but cannot do so when the need arises for him to be a superhero or something, you know? "people's bad vibes are throwing off my power" and all that nonsense.

[Rob Instigator]

it is not our physical particles that pop in and out of existance. it is in empty space, where there are no partricles, that virtual particles pop into existance and then pop back out of it faster than the Planck Time limit.

[SpectralJulianIsNotDead]

Originally Posted by Keeping It Simple

You sound like H.P.Lovecraft.

I'll take that as a compliment.

[Rob Instigator]

 

[verme (prevaricator)]

yes, i guess it's probably possible to recreate a mental illusion of astral projection.
that's what i think it is, sensory illusion.

so, no i don't believe in it.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

a) you guys really misunderstand hallucinations. There is absolutely NO way to distinguish between a "hallucination" and mental perception of so-called "reality"

If you can not see this, then you have never truly hallucinated before, because hallucinations and visions are as real if not realer then so-called reality, and it is literally impossible to distinguish between the two. That is why you are hallucinating in the first place, if not you would simply be daydreaming.

Visions are powerful, they rely on the EXACT same neurochemistry as sensory perception, therefore in your brain, there is no difference between the two. Your thoughts, insights, memories, ARE hallucinations, and there is no objectivity to this. Your entire existence is SUBJECTIVE.

that being said, how could you discredit anything as being not real because it seems to be a hallucination? How do you know that your so-called real life isn't the hallucination and the vision a glimpse of so-called reality?

Me, I do not try to distinguish between them, I simply exist and try to feel and experience ALL aspects of my perception, and I put no limits.

of course astral projection is real, not just because of the obvious laws of mechanics which Floating has posted, but because your entire existence is not real in the first place, so why try to argue over what is real and not? Its literally ALL IN YOUR HEAD! The entire universe exists only in your mind's eye, so why couldn't you project your consciousness into other places? You project your consciousness onto the place you call "here" and your "body" so why not others?
b)

Originally Posted by Pookie

I haven't got any grievances. You're just wrong.

And I tried phoning Stephen Hawking but I kept getting an automated answer.

that is so fucking funny I think I shit myself laughing! Pure genius! this is why I keep coming back to SYG

Originally Posted by ni'k

so is it basically going to imagination land? or dreaming when you are awake?

no, that would be yr imagination running wild, and there is clearly a difference.

Originally Posted by floatingslowly

in an infinite uni(multi)verse, all possibilities will come to fruition.



once infinity is added to the equation, probability and possibility become matters of "when" and not "if".


no rly. I'm gonna work now.

I wish folks would hear you on this, I have been saying this kind of shit for years. It is why I believe in theology, if the physical universe if infinite, then it is unlimited, there are no limits, and it is all simply a matter of when, not if, as you already explained. But people fail to understand the true conception of Infinite, this is why they personify such a limited God(s) who is supposed to be as infinite as the universe which science observes as being such.

[Rob Instigator]

I can dig it suchfriends.

I have truly HALUCINATED before and there is no real difference in my mind between that, dreams, and thios world we choose to call "REAL"

but it would be better if, instead of a hallucination or a dream, I really did have Nigella Lawson sitting on my face

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

I can dig it suchfriends.

I have truly HALUCINATED before and there is no real difference in my mind between that, dreams, and thios world we choose to call "REAL"

but it would be better if, instead of a hallucination or a dream, I really did have Nigella Lawson sitting on my face

"You have faith.. anything is possible to him who believes.." Mark 9:23

Nigella is only a product of your imagination, your hallucination of the so-called real world, she only exists subjectively, and she is only not sitting on yr face because you believe it not to be possible, so this otherwise imaginary vixen is sitting on some other chap's face who believes with an 'amen' and 'alleluia'

It is because of my experiences with 'hallucinations' that I truly believe in God(s) because when I existed in realms where I did not exist, where no conception of "me" was in control and there was no recognizable pattern of 'real' the only familiarity remaining was the positive and assertive touch of God(s) whose name was repeated as a feeling in what was left of my being and this unspeakable name of the hebrews is a Universal reminder, "I exist because I exist"

I learned from those experiences that NOTHING is real. Of course, I equally learned this principle in High School Physics, which is why I wonder why some of the rather intelligent folks on SYG have their fingers all up their asses in regards to science, when mechanics is more mystical than theology.

[Rob Instigator]

seen

[verme (prevaricator)]

i like how you just completely ignore physical reality, suchfriends.
lol.



i need some sleep.
bye.

[Pookie]

I once knew a man who hallucinated that he was dead. No amount of persuasion from his family could convince him that he was actually still alive.

He finally agreed to go and since a doctor. The doctor got him to agree that dead men don't bleed. He then pricked the end of my friend's finger which of course started to bleed.

The doctor said, "There, what does that tell you?"
My friend replied, "My God, dead men do bleed!"