[!@#$%!]

his candicacy is all about ego so hit him where it hurts

what's his tax plan anyway? "i will have the best tax system in the world! the best! let's make america great again!"

hm, yeah, can't argue with such mirages.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

his candicacy is all about ego so hit him where it hurts

what's his tax plan anyway? "i will have the best tax system in the world! the best! let's make america great again!"

hm, yeah, can't argue with such mirages.

hahahahaaaaaa you NAILED it.. "the best" seems to be Trump's annoying catch phrase

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by evollove

Ohio poll numbers embarrass me.

But three months is a looooong way to go in politics. Particularly this year, not one single person has any idea what lurks around the bend.

BTW, can we please stop all the Trump bashing? I understand disagreeing with his tax policy, but all the name-calling in this thread gets us nowhere. He's a person too, with real emotions. You're causing hurt and not helping America. Dick.

nope. trump is a bigot and a bully and from my experience the only way to deal with bullies is to treat them the way they treat us.

[The Soup Nazi]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

hahahahaaaaaa you NAILED it.. "the best" seems to be Trump's annoying catch phrase

A comment on The Washington Post's site:

You know a good way to get drunk? Take a sip every time Trump uses the following descriptors:

Good
Bad
Terrific
Vicious
Tremendous
A disaster

Go!

[The Soup Nazi]

The unbearable stench of Trump's Bullshit
by Fareed Zakaria

A few days ago, I was asked on CNN to make sense of one more case in which Donald Trump had said something demonstrably false and then explained it away with a caustic tweet and an indignant interview. I replied that there was a pattern here and a term for a person who did this kind of thing: a "bullshit artist." I got cheers and boos for the comment from partisans on both sides, but I was not using that label casually. Trump is many things, some of them dark and dangerous, but at his core, he is a B.S. artist.

Harry Frankfurt, an eminent moral philosopher and former professor at Princeton, wrote a brilliant essay in 1986 called "On Bullshit." (Frankfurt himself wrote about Trump in this vein, as have Jeet Heer and Eldar Sarajlic.) In the essay, Frankfurt distinguishes crucially between lies and B.S.: "Telling a lie is an act with a sharp focus. It is designed to insert a particular falsehood at a specific point. . . . In order to invent a lie at all, [the teller of a lie] must think he knows what is true."

But someone engaging in B.S., Frankfurt says, "is neither on the side of the true nor on the side of the false. His eye is not on the facts at all . . . except insofar as they may be pertinent to his interest in getting away with what he says." Frankfurt writes that the B.S.-er's "focus is panoramic rather than particular" and that he has "more spacious opportunities for improvisation, color, and imaginative play. This is less a matter of craft than of art. Hence the familiar notion of the 'bullshit artist.' "

This has been Trump's mode all his life. He boasts — and boasts and boasts — about his business, his buildings, his books, his wives. Much of it is a concoction of hyperbole and falsehoods. And when he's found out, he's like that guy we have all met at a bar who makes wild claims but when confronted with the truth, quickly responds, "I knew that!"

Take, for instance, the most extraordinary example, his non-relationship with Vladimir Putin. In May 2014, addressing the National Press Club, Trump said, "I was in Russia, I was in Moscow recently and I spoke, indirectly and directly, with President Putin, who could not have been nicer." In November 2015, at a Fox Business debate, he said of Putin, "I got to know him very well because we were both on '60 Minutes.' "

Did Trump really believe that you could say something like that on live TV and no one would check? Did he think that no one would notice that the "60 Minutes" show consisted of two separate prerecorded interviews, with Putin in Moscow and Trump in New York? (By that logic, I have gotten to know Franklin Roosevelt very well because I have run some clips of him on my television show.)

In fact, Trump was bullshitting. He sees himself as important, a global celebrity, the kind of man who should or could have met Putin. Why does it matter that they did not actually meet?

Or look at the issue that fueled his political rise, birtherism. Trump said in 2011 that he had sent investigators to Hawaii and that "they cannot believe what they’re finding." For weeks, he continued to imply that there were huge findings to be released. He hinted to George Stephanopoulos, "We're going to see what happens." That was five years ago, in April 2011. Nothing happened.

In fact, it appears highly unlikely that Trump ever sent any investigators to Hawaii. In 2011, Salon asked Trump attorney Michael Cohen for details about the investigators. Cohen said that it was all very secret, naturally. Trump has said the same about his plan to defeat the Islamic State, which he can't reveal. He has boasted that he has a strategy to win solidly Democratic states this fall, but he won't reveal which ones. (Even by Trump's standards, this one is a head-scratcher. Won't we notice when he campaigns in these places? Or will it be so secret that even the voters won't know?) Of course, these are not secret strategies. It's just B.S.

Harry Frankfurt concludes that liars and truth-tellers are both acutely aware of facts and truths. They are just choosing to play on opposite sides of the same game to serve their own ends. The B.S. artist, however, has lost all connection with reality. He pays no attention to the truth. "By virtue of this," Frankfurt writes, "bullshit is a greater enemy of truth than lies are."

We see the consequences. As the crazy talk continues, standard rules of fact, truth and reality have disappeared in this campaign. Donald Trump has piled such vast quantities of his trademark product into the political arena that the stench is now overwhelming and unbearable.

[Drjohnrock]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

nope. trump is a bigot and a bully and from my experience the only way to deal with bullies is to treat them the way they treat us.

Uh, I think evollove was being somewhat facetious there...

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by Drjohnrock

Uh, I think evollove was being somewhat facetious there...

i figured but i still promote what i posted

[tw2113]

I'm just sick of seeing and hearing anything about the guy. I don't wish him personal harm, I just wish he'd fade away from media and popular culture.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by tw2113

I'm just sick of seeing and hearing anything about the guy. I don't wish him personal harm, I just wish he'd fade away from media and popular culture.

me too but it can't be avoided for the next 3 months so the most tolerable option is just to make jokes and laugh about him while he self-destructs

 

 

 

[evollove]

Trump's funny, but he's not. I mean, his candidacy has made it clear to me that there are far more hateful stupid Americans out there than I once thought. More depressing than funny.

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

the only way to deal with bullies is to treat them the way they treat us.

That's from the Bible, isn't it?

But in all seriousness, I was thinking that if Trump's plane went down, I wouldn't feel much. Yes, the death of this human being would fail to stir my basic impulses. I felt guilty about this, and then I didn't.

[EVOLghost]

If his plane went down, I think I'd just have a great sense of relief.

[ilduclo]

now if Ms Trump went down......

[The Soup Nazi]

Originally Posted by ilduclo

now if Ms Trump went down......

I'm pretty sure she does; otherwise Donalduce wouldn't have married her.

[The Soup Nazi]

 

[!@#$%!]

i agree with this sucka and i've been saying the same thing for a while without getting paid for it (thanks, internet):

Elitism won’t defeat Trumpism

bla bla bla trump sucks etc bla bla

Nonetheless, there should be no ignoring the real distress Trump voters have experienced . As a practical matter, we will not ease the divisions in our country that his candidacy has underscored if we do not deal with the legitimate grievances of his supporters. As a moral matter, writing off Trump voters as unenlightened and backward-looking is to engage in the very same kind of bigoted behavior that we condemn in other spheres.

bla bla etc

And on the ground, says Rep. Elizabeth Esty (D-Conn.), the sense of “disrespect” felt by “people who have lost work to new machines, technology and, in some cases, globalization” is palpable. This is what links cultural unease to economic anguish. Esty, whose district includes ailing industrial cities such as Waterbury and New Britain, has been warning Democrats for months about Trump’s appeal to displaced workers.

“I do not disrespect the people who support him,” Esty said of Trump. “I find him loathsome, but what he has tapped into is real.”


more:

http://wpo.st/LPyq1

[greenlight]

 

or?

[ilduclo]

“I do not disrespect the people who support him,” Esty said of Trump. “I find him loathsome, but what he has tapped into is real.”

a lot of the trumpies are just resentful of others. There's a big trumper in my burg who used to vote democratic, but was busted in a scheme to steal her employees retirement funds. Now she's butt hurt and wants Don to come in and wreck the place. a lot are whites who think they've had it bad, even though they're not poor.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by ilduclo

“I do not disrespect the people who support him,” Esty said of Trump. “I find him loathsome, but what he has tapped into is real.”

a lot of the trumpies are just resentful of others. There's a big trumper in my burg who used to vote democratic, but was busted in a scheme to steal her employees retirement funds. Now she's butt hurt and wants Don to come in and wreck the place. a lot are whites who think they've had it bad, even though they're not poor.

context man, context. the quoted person is a congresswoman fom connecticut talking about her constituents. she's not going to call them a bunch of fucktards.

the embezzler of your anecdote isn't a demographic sample. instead just look at trends. the workers who used to work in steel mills, in factories, in shipyards, the workers who built highways and bridges and laid the infrastructure that made the country run, and made wages who could support their families-- where are they now and what are they doing? walmart? mcdonalds? panda express?

trump is of course a fucking conman, but what he has tapped into is real

[ilduclo]

there are plenty of demographic studies of the trumpers that show they're neither poor nor uneducated. They're just assholes

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by ilduclo

there are plenty of demographic studies of the trumpers that show they're neither poor nor uneducated. They're just assholes

show me?