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There is a new deal/bill that allows these illegal immigrants to become citizens in much less time than seven years (however long it is). I cant remember much about it however. it was on cnn.
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Yeah you got be at least 35 & a naturally born American citizen to be a candidate for President. California Governor Arnold Schwartzennegger would like to see all that changed.
I guess you can't write Rob in after all, !@#$%!. I'm gonna reprise this part that I went back & bolded in the original post: The truth is that rights are, always have been & most probably always will be a social construct, which means that the rights that we have that shouldn't ever be able to be taken away are actually really just granted to us under certain conditions. If that seems unfair, then I suggest you follow my applicable suggestion that I repeatedly offer forth & start spreading the word about passing a consitutional amendment to end all repeat terms of office in this country to ever possibly see Human Rights Justice really done one day. |
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So just cause people aren't citizens they don't have rights? Just because on a piece of paper it says American, you have more rights than another human being? That's stupid. People who were born citizen's here don't even appreciate what they have. It's easy for them to say "Get rid of immigrants." I don't get why everyone complains that they take away US jobs. So the fuck what? Everybody needs a job. Just because you have this intangible label that says you're American, it doesn't mean you need the job more. Go get a job somewhere else. Everybody needs jobs. |
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& one more time:
The truth is that rights are, always have been & most probably always will be a social construct, which means that the rights that we have that shouldn't ever be able to be taken away are actually really just granted to us under certain conditions. If that seems unfair, then I suggest you follow my applicable suggestion that I repeatedly offer forth & start spreading the word about passing a constitutional amendment to end all repeat terms of office in this country to ever possibly see Human Rights Justice really done one day. |
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ah, but i disagree with you in this point: they were not granted-- they were taken. it took a war against the british empire (two wars actually: 1812 is often forgotten) to conquer the rights under the constitution. it took a civil war (though i am well aware abolition was not its original cause) to end slavery. it took a lot of social unrest to ripen the fruits of abolition. etc. etc. the social construct we call rights is always the result of a conquest-- the people taking power away from the elite. |
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& that's exactly what we the people need to do again & precisely why we need a constitutional amendment to end repeat terms of office. It would get to the nitty-gritty of the inherent fundamental reason why corruption exists within the American political system which no longer is truly representational. Make living history, people...grass-roots initiatives have to start somewhere. Purposefully get into political conversations or internet discussions & spread the word. Don't be left screaming at a wall. There is a solution, & this is it. It is revolutionary, but revolutionary within the system. & there's just one other thing I want to get off my chest: The concept of Anarchy is for a bunch of poseur mumblers-under-breath basement dwellers. In fact, Anarchy would only make human rights conditions everywhere a whole heaping helping hell of a lot worse. People that seriously espouse anarchy as a vaild way to solve social woes are ignorant, apathetic & decidely morally evil.
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try to say it 5-10 times fast
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As far as SY fans being majority white suburban kids...care to do a poll? I don't even think you have an accurate understanding of what exactly a "liberal" really is. Better go back to school and come back later. I'll be here giving lessons. Sorry if I hurt your feelings. If you hate living in America, why don't you let someone else who wants to live here take your place. Simple as that. As far as Bush is concerned, I wouldn't impeach him. I'd charge him with treason because he's done nothing but fuck up the country. |
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Amen.
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the right of petition belongs to all people, not just citizens. thats like saying illegal immigrants dont have freedom of speech or religion either. |
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First, this should not be an economical issue, it should not be a naturalization issue...it should be a HUMAN RIGHTS issue. People come here for a better life for their families and themselves. It's easy to point fingers and put down the idea of coming to the country illegally while sitting at a posh computer with an upbringing much better off than majority(if not all) illegal immigrants who came into this country. It's alot different when you are the one trying to survive. Second, comparing illegal immigrants to "criminals" because they broke the law kinda worries me about you. It tells me that you really don't know as much about other cultures as you think you may know, and that you really lack compassion and sympathy. But, it doesn't surprise me. Alot of SY fans are the same way. Saying illegal immigrants don't deserve anything more than "basic human rights" is pretty unreasonable even though they do pay taxes(yes, I know it doesn't compare to the federal taxes, so no need to even jump here). Reading your statement really gives the impression that you have not even considered trying to understand what it is to be an illegal immigrant. People don't come here illegally unless it's for a very good reason, like surviving. Most come here for the social services & benefits(healthcare & clinics) that are not available in their homeland or that their previous homelands didn't provide adequate social services(healthcare, clinics, etc.). So far, what I've gathered from your statement was that illegal immigrants come here for hopes of "better job opportunity to make more money". Not once did you mention healthcare, education, and social services. Do you think it's "easy" living as an illegal immigrant? How many times have you had to supply a SS#, proof of residency when you've needed something??? Until you know an illegal immigrant and how they live, maybe you should stop with the assumption that living here illegally is "fine and dandy". They probably live with the fear of being deported, caught on a daily basis. I hate to use this comparison, but have you ever lied and felt guilty or did something wrong that you knew you could get in trouble for? Well they live with that feeling every day. While it is the Gov'ts responsibility to uphold the law, it is what it is. It's not like "nobody's doing illegal drugs" in this country. Is illegal immigration a problem to America? I think it's a problem America is well-equipt to deal with. Besides, spending the money rounding up illegal families and deporting them would cost way too much money, especially if it's that easy to just break back into the country. It is what it is. I do think it sets a precidence with "following the law", but then again, isn't the Constitution a bit "outdated" as well? I don't think it's going to discourage many people from becoming a citizen the "legal" way because of the fact that those who become American Citizens are already much better off than those who come into the US illegally, so they can afford the "4 year plan". Most illegal immigrants can't afford to wait that long because they just don't have the money. Remember: you have to live here for 4 years and have some kind of steady employment or education. That costs money...money most illegal immigrants do not have before entering this country illegally. |
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No need to call names...it makes you look like your 12 years old. I'm sure you can get your point across without the names. Try to act a little more mature than this. Alot is being said on this thread and we don't need little kids mucking it up. |
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Both of you using 'your' instead of 'you're' makes you look about 12 years old. That is all. Continue bickering.
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If your considering th epilgrims immigrants than Ill say Im wrong. I remember some guy saying he felt the US should quarintine tis self from all other nations, oh yeah, George washington. |
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I think you're taking the issue of illegal immigration for the sake of your parents. It's great that your parents were able to come from other countries, but the fact of the matter is that your parents were better off than the illegal immigrants when they came to the country. I don't see a "racial bias". What I see is a guy who feels very passionate about the process of becoming an American the "legal" way because his parents when through the process. I used to feel the same way about my parents(from Japan). But, as I got older, I've grown to accept the fact that maybe the law just doesn't always add up and that there are exceptions to the rule, like having no money with 3 kids and no healthcare living in Mexico. I respect your stance, but all I can maybe ask is that you really try to look at it from an "illegal immigrant's" point of view because so far, I don't think you've shown any kind of compassion or sympathy for them even if they broke the law. I'm curious to know how you feel about the judicial system, "prisons & prisoner's rights" to be specific. Because if you apply your way of thinking to the problems of prisons, then you really lack alot of compassion for the human race. |
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