Riot Grrrl/Female Artist Survivor - Page 3

notyourfiend · 11.19.2009, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by atsonicpark

http://www.mediafire.com/?m1wwniqdzuy

for anyone who wants it

...there's another boy genius fuckin gooooooooooooooooooooooooone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh man! Worth buying the album just to hear Kathleen dedicate a song to a boy?!?!!? (I know he was a gay boy, definitely a feminist boy)

I'm going to go listen to Jack Off Jill. Later y'all.

RIP was written about one of her friends who died of AIDS.

notyourfiend · 11.19.2009, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by demonrail666

i'm not interested in voting any bands off, so long as the one left at the end is Bikini Kill

yup same.

though if sleater-kinney won i wouldn't complain.

oh, and reject all american isn't the best bikini kill album but it's still pretty banging.

doesn't surprise me how few people like bikini kill here. people on this board seem to hate most music that is political. they think it's too dogmatic.

atsonicpark · 11.20.2009, 12:22 AM

I actually thought Bikini Kill were really well-liked on this board. Maybe not anymore. Weird.

atsonicpark · 11.20.2009, 12:30 AM

Tonight I bought LUDACRIS - CHICKEN AND BEER.

That's actually probably the shittiest album I've ever bought but i love it.

Satan · 11.20.2009, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by notyourfiend

too dogmatic.

bingo

i really appreciate a lot of stuff they've done though. i hate danger is a favorite. i like when tobi sings.

knox · 11.21.2009, 11:10 AM

the only reason why i dont like bikini kill is because the music sucks.
there are up to 5 acceptable tracks and the rest is so dull.

Genteel Death · 11.21.2009, 11:23 AM

Bikini Kill were AMAZING!

Decayed Rhapsody · 11.21.2009, 01:41 PM

I don't hate political music. I hate music that is sonically very conservative and sucky trying to stand on its own because of some (supposedly) altruistic political motivation.

Bikini Kill = the least politically developed form of feminism.

knox · 11.21.2009, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Decayed Rhapsody

I don't hate political music. I hate music that is sonically very conservative and sucky trying to stand on its own because of some (supposedly) altruistic political motivation.

Bikini Kill = the least politically developed form of feminism.

gonna have to agree.

Keeping It Simple · 11.21.2009, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by knox

gonna have to agree.

Hi.

Decayed Rhapsody · 11.21.2009, 04:14 PM

It's really funny that Bikini Kill are credited with ushering in 3rd wave feminism. The fact that men are still so central to their political message feels very 2nd wave to me. It's the kind of binary thinking that 3rd wave/radical feminism moved away from... i mean, those women might identify as radical feminists but the actual musical content says otherwise. I also feel like they fall into a lot of the bullshit tropes of identity politics. If I was to follow BK's logic, as a male feminist interested in fighting women's oppression, am I somehow forbidden because I'm biologically predisposed to having a dick instead of a cunt?

I tend to agree with bell hooks' vision of feminism as a conduit for women to enter the larger world/larger collective struggles instead of just existing as a group distinct from some monolithic notion of men who are solely linked with perpetuating sexism (another bullshit factor, women don't even need men anymore to reinscribe sexism). If I was a gung-ho feminist and really wanted to use music as a medium for political consciousness raising, I wouldn't try and limit my struggle to the narrow punk scene that BK came out of. I read some interview where she complained about guys coming to shows since she "wasn't making the music for them." Sorry grrrl, but if you feel like there aren't enough women coming to see you... chances are its YOU that's doing something wrong and not translating well.

Slant 6 is so much better. Kathleen Hanna is seriously on the level of Adrienne Rich misandrist annoyingness. And this is coming from a queer male.

I also have a prob with calling people "female artists" and throwing them in with the dated riot grrrl scene. You're creating a ghetto. PJ Harvey was smart to distance herself from all that nonsense. 50 Ft. Queenie, Man-Size, Happy & Bleeding, Hair, Me-Jane = songs involving strife between the sexes that most riot grrls wished they could write.

knox · 11.22.2009, 12:57 PM

hello.

uhler · 12.01.2009, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Decayed Rhapsody

Slant 6 was the best riot grrrl band. Were they even riot grrrl? They sounded like a girly Wire. Good shit.

i wouldn't say slant 6 was riot grrl. they were great though. the frumpies and bratmobile were my favorite riot grrl bands

uhler · 12.01.2009, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by automatic bzooty

alison mosshart

are you talking about when she was in the great pop punk band DISCOUNT (the best band to come out of florida)? cause anything else she has done is complete shit.

PAULYBEE2656 · 12.01.2009, 11:36 AM

linus
bratmobile
the mighty huggy bear
bikini kill
skinned teen
mecca normal
voodoo queens
slant 6
cwa
mambo taxi

maybe not all riot grrrl but they rocked and were painted with that one brush....

Glice · 12.01.2009, 11:42 AM

People don't like Bikini Kill? Was that ever even an option?

Bikini Kill are musically conservative - from SYG? Did anyone here ever care about musical conservativism? I know there are a few here who aren't musically conservative in some way (and I wouldn't necessarily include myself in that group) but... well, Bikini Kill are just great. I don't care that their music isn't as radical as something else, they're just very good, aren't they? If Dinosaur (yawn) jr or My Bloody (yawn) Valentine were women who talked about feminism, would they suddenly be dismissed as not having invented avant-garde wheels?

Although I'd side with Le Tigre, just because theirs was one of the best shows I've seen in the last ten years.

Glice · 12.01.2009, 11:45 AM

As T&B mentioned her, I'm changing my vote for Missy.

knox · 12.01.2009, 12:02 PM

pussy whipped was ok, the rest uninspired and predictable.

at the time i didn't realize, but if i listen to reject all american now it makes me cringe. i have attempted to hear the whole thing many times, never managed.

i like fucking was good tho. yeah yeah.

knox · 12.01.2009, 12:03 PM

i think this is a good example of doing the riot thing right (musically)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAbgq...eature=related

knox · 12.01.2009, 12:09 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUHxx0ZeIZU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwqba...eature=related

MEMORIES

even this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GLmw...rom=PL&index=5

11.20.2009, 12:22 AM	#43
atsonicpark invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 28,843	I actually thought Bikini Kill were really well-liked on this board. Maybe not anymore. Weird. __________________
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11.20.2009, 12:30 AM	#44
atsonicpark invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 28,843	Tonight I bought LUDACRIS - CHICKEN AND BEER. That's actually probably the shittiest album I've ever bought but i love it. __________________
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11.21.2009, 11:10 AM	#46
knox invito al cielo Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 5,255	the only reason why i dont like bikini kill is because the music sucks. there are up to 5 acceptable tracks and the rest is so dull. __________________
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11.21.2009, 11:23 AM	#47
Genteel Death invito al cielo Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 8,744	Bikini Kill were AMAZING!
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11.21.2009, 01:41 PM	#48
Decayed Rhapsody the destroyed room Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 572	I don't hate political music. I hate music that is sonically very conservative and sucky trying to stand on its own because of some (supposedly) altruistic political motivation. Bikini Kill = the least politically developed form of feminism.
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11.21.2009, 04:14 PM	#51
Decayed Rhapsody the destroyed room Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 572	It's really funny that Bikini Kill are credited with ushering in 3rd wave feminism. The fact that men are still so central to their political message feels very 2nd wave to me. It's the kind of binary thinking that 3rd wave/radical feminism moved away from... i mean, those women might identify as radical feminists but the actual musical content says otherwise. I also feel like they fall into a lot of the bullshit tropes of identity politics. If I was to follow BK's logic, as a male feminist interested in fighting women's oppression, am I somehow forbidden because I'm biologically predisposed to having a dick instead of a cunt? I tend to agree with bell hooks' vision of feminism as a conduit for women to enter the larger world/larger collective struggles instead of just existing as a group distinct from some monolithic notion of men who are solely linked with perpetuating sexism (another bullshit factor, women don't even need men anymore to reinscribe sexism). If I was a gung-ho feminist and really wanted to use music as a medium for political consciousness raising, I wouldn't try and limit my struggle to the narrow punk scene that BK came out of. I read some interview where she complained about guys coming to shows since she "wasn't making the music for them." Sorry grrrl, but if you feel like there aren't enough women coming to see you... chances are its YOU that's doing something wrong and not translating well. Slant 6 is so much better. Kathleen Hanna is seriously on the level of Adrienne Rich misandrist annoyingness. And this is coming from a queer male. I also have a prob with calling people "female artists" and throwing them in with the dated riot grrrl scene. You're creating a ghetto. PJ Harvey was smart to distance herself from all that nonsense. 50 Ft. Queenie, Man-Size, Happy & Bleeding, Hair, Me-Jane = songs involving strife between the sexes that most riot grrls wished they could write.
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11.22.2009, 12:57 PM	#52
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12.01.2009, 11:36 AM	#55
PAULYBEE2656 invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: wexford, rep of ireland Posts: 6,930	linus bratmobile the mighty huggy bear bikini kill skinned teen mecca normal voodoo queens slant 6 cwa mambo taxi maybe not all riot grrrl but they rocked and were painted with that one brush.... __________________ myspace facebook *twitter*
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12.01.2009, 12:02 PM	#58
knox invito al cielo Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 5,255	pussy whipped was ok, the rest uninspired and predictable. at the time i didn't realize, but if i listen to reject all american now it makes me cringe. i have attempted to hear the whole thing many times, never managed. i like fucking was good tho. yeah yeah. __________________
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12.01.2009, 12:03 PM	#59
knox invito al cielo Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 5,255	i think this is a good example of doing the riot thing right (musically) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAbgq...eature=related __________________
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12.01.2009, 12:09 PM	#60
knox invito al cielo Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 5,255	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUHxx0ZeIZU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwqba...eature=related MEMORIES even this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GLmw...rom=PL&index=5 __________________
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