[gmku]

Originally Posted by nicfit

Gmku would (perhaps) be sad only if Daniel Craig died. He's shown this attitude towards lots of dead people, so I guess he basically doesn't give a shit about "intenet mourning" and stuff.
I dismiss every stupid Rob's post (meaning: not everything he posts is stupid, but sometimes he posts things that in my eyes are pretty stupid) thinking of it as an accidental typing between a "big ass" google image search and a "fuck this fuck that" post.
But to be honest, it saddens me that he pays tribute to "barrel man" 's death in his blog, than comes here to go all cynical and talk shit about a great musician he probably never cared for.

No, b/c while Craig is mortal, James will live forever! I would be sad if people I know and love died, though. And yeah, Internet mourning--it's electronic, it's not love.

[nicfit]

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

so I like NFL football more than acoustic drone-folk. so what?
I will never joke about death again. I have learned my lesson. death is sacred.

Rob, we're talking about a person who died here, not about a "music genre", that's the difference.
Everyone is entitled to his opinions, but posting that stuff in a thread where people shown some kind of attachment to this dead man/his music seemed quite rude and unnecessary to me.
That's all.
I'll be the first in line to rep you when you'll post something similar about steve vai, btw .

[Rob Instigator]

hey nicfit. in all honesty, yr right. my comment was snark callousness. while his music was not my main thang, it is (from the 30-45 minutes I have heard) definitely something whose loss should merit more respect from me than if some worthless pop asshole were to die.

sorry for the thoughtlessness.

[wellcharge]

Originally Posted by atsonicpark

3rd neg-rep I've ever given, Rob...

Just sayin'!

i seem to remember you saying it's ok to shit talk dead people when you got called out for a kurt cobain joke thread? neg repped,mentally, i can't actually do it haha

[atsonicpark]

Kurt Cobain, a heroin junky and an overall shitty person from various accounts, killed himself. I feel no sympathy for someone who kills themself -- ESPECIALLY if you bring a daughter into this world. Don't fucking have children unless you're planning on taking care of them. Anyway, it was Kurt's life, he did what he wanted -- he wanted to die. So, why not celebrate? I don't understand "mourning" his loss at all... he took his own life, deliberately, seems like something to be happy about, since he got what he wanted, right?

Jack Rose... his death is actually quite tragic. He just bought a house, he just got signed to Drag City, he had been working hard, driving by himself from show to show for years for little or no money, there is no comparison between him and spoiled rock star millionaire "oh-woe-is-me" Kurt.

And I love a lot of Nirvana songs, so I'm not anti-Cobain or anti-Nirvana, and I do think it's okay to make fun of dead people, but I just felt this was a little soon,and a little disrespectful since it is so soon... Also, I'm pretty sure Jack Rose never had a single song with acoustic guitar wankery. His playing was extremely skilled, and his songs were extremely composed.

...Rob just made a really stupid comment. I'm not going to say I never have made any myself, because I do regret a few things I said on here... but I don't think it's hypocritical or anything for me to say that I feel more sad over Jack Rose's death than Kurt Cobain's.

[batreleaser]

cznt beleive im just hearing about this, im out of the loop, kinda surprising.

[wellcharge]

Originally Posted by atsonicpark

Kurt Cobain, a heroin junky and an overall shitty person from various accounts, killed himself. I feel no sympathy for someone who kills themself -- ESPECIALLY if you bring a daughter into this world. Don't fucking have children unless you're planning on taking care of them. Anyway, it was Kurt's life, he did what he wanted -- he wanted to die. So, why not celebrate? I don't understand "mourning" his loss at all... he took his own life, deliberately, seems like something to be happy about, since he got what he wanted, right?

Jack Rose... his death is actually quite tragic. He just bought a house, he just got signed to Drag City, he had been working hard, driving by himself from show to show for years for little or no money, there is no comparison between him and spoiled rock star millionaire "oh-woe-is-me" Kurt.

And I love a lot of Nirvana songs, so I'm not anti-Cobain or anti-Nirvana, and I do think it's okay to make fun of dead people, but I just felt this was a little soon,and a little disrespectful since it is so soon... Also, I'm pretty sure Jack Rose never had a single song with acoustic guitar wankery. His playing was extremely skilled, and his songs were extremely composed.

...Rob just made a really stupid comment. I'm not going to say I never have made any myself, because I do regret a few things I said on here... but I don't think it's hypocritical or anything for me to say that I feel more sad over Jack Rose's death than Kurt Cobain's.

you did mention kurt is a dick for offing himself when he has a child so there's a reason not to be happy about it,his kid.

rob didn't say anything particularly insulting about the guy, he just checked out the music and said he didn't like it,fine,there's no music that everyone likes. it was stupid and probably in bad taste to say he died because his music was bad but oh well,and it sounds like he's looking forward to making fun of steve vai when he dies too,while his albums are pretty lame i figure vai deserves to live so that's sort of dumb. i don't think you would have neg repped him if it was an artist you didn't like

[atsonicpark]

Re: Kurt having a kid, I think that's the only tragic thing about his death. His actual death wasn't sad at all. He got what he wanted, all I'm saying. I think we should be happy for him. Too bad his child had to suffer.

And you're right, I probably wouldn't have cared about Rob's comment if it wasn't an artist I liked, but that's kind of an obvious point to make... on the same token, would Rob have made the comment about an artist he liked? Obviously not. But it's not like his comment offended me, it was just kind of retarded in general. Jack's music is amazing.

I've given 3 negative reps ever in my years on this board. So it takes a lot to make me feel like giving one, but that particular comment made me feel kinda icky. THat's all.

[Skuj]

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

I think the overly repetetive acoustic wankery killed him.

Oh Rob, you instigator you.....

[Skuj]

Originally Posted by atsonicpark

Kurt Cobain, a heroin junky and an overall shitty person from various accounts, killed himself. I feel no sympathy for someone who kills themself -- ESPECIALLY if you bring a daughter into this world. Don't fucking have children unless you're planning on taking care of them. Anyway, it was Kurt's life, he did what he wanted -- he wanted to die. So, why not celebrate? I don't understand "mourning" his loss at all... he took his own life, deliberately, seems like something to be happy about, since he got what he wanted, right?

Jack Rose... his death is actually quite tragic. He just bought a house, he just got signed to Drag City, he had been working hard, driving by himself from show to show for years for little or no money, there is no comparison between him and spoiled rock star millionaire "oh-woe-is-me" Kurt.

And I love a lot of Nirvana songs, so I'm not anti-Cobain or anti-Nirvana, and I do think it's okay to make fun of dead people, but I just felt this was a little soon,and a little disrespectful since it is so soon... Also, I'm pretty sure Jack Rose never had a single song with acoustic guitar wankery. His playing was extremely skilled, and his songs were extremely composed.

...Rob just made a really stupid comment. I'm not going to say I never have made any myself, because I do regret a few things I said on here... but I don't think it's hypocritical or anything for me to say that I feel more sad over Jack Rose's death than Kurt Cobain's.

 

Oops. Bad emoticon, under the circumstances. But fuck, Man, I don't think Cobain "wanted" to die. He was just so fucked up. It was just as sad as this.

BTW, this thread turned me on to listening to Jack Rose, and he was fuckin good, so there. Thanks.

[Skuj]

Originally Posted by atsonicpark

His actual death wasn't sad at all.

Fuuuuuck, Man. And on the official SNY board too?

I still love you though.

IDK how old most of y'all are, but to me, Nevermind was like the Beatles first....an eruption, and really fucking great songwriting anchoring it all.....

But I digress. Anyway, it was sad, just as this latest news is sad.

[atsonicpark]

I just don't personally find anything "tragic" about people who take their lives on purpose. There is sadness attached to that, obviously.. he won't be able to make more music, his daughter won't have a father, etc. But suicide itself doesn't seem very tragic to me. I mean, he's kind of a selfish person to some people, but perhaps it's more selfish for people to wish he was still alive when he clearly didn't want to be.

It's a touchy subject, either way. I just think there's a difference between someone dying of a heart attack as his hard work was starting to pay off, versus some junky millionaire shooting himself. I suppose they're both tragic, to some people, in different ways.

I didn't want to mention Kurt but it was brought up. We can't have a simple rest in peace thread without debates.

[gmku]

Today marks the 29th anniversary of John Lennon's murder. I remember that event hitting me hard.

[Rob Instigator]

Originally Posted by atsonicpark

...Rob just made a really stupid comment.

ahhh , but it was FUNNY! if you don't find it funny, that's YR issue man.

[Rob Instigator]

Originally Posted by gmku

Today marks the 29th anniversary of John Lennon's murder. I remember that event hitting me hard.

in december 5th, 1980, my family moved to Houston TX from Puerto Rico.

On December 8th, 1980 John lennon was murdered.

On December 9th, 1980 we went to a quiet and subdued chuck E Cheese Pizza to celebrate my younger brother's 5th birthday.

[Rob Instigator]

Re: Kurt Cobain.

you describe him as a "junkie millionaire", as if this makes it OK t not care that he felt so SHITTY he took his own life.

that reduces a human being to two attibutes, one of which he was not under control of. he did not choose to be a "millionaire"./ It just happened. as far as beinga junkie, that is a human's own personal issues, and does nto detract from his art, or his influence.

Miles Davis was a junkie and he was GOD

[batreleaser]

Originally Posted by atsonicpark

Kurt Cobain, a heroin junky and an overall shitty person from various accounts, killed himself. I feel no sympathy for someone who kills themself -- ESPECIALLY if you bring a daughter into this world. Don't fucking have children unless you're planning on taking care of them. Anyway, it was Kurt's life, he did what he wanted -- he wanted to die. So, why not celebrate? I don't understand "mourning" his loss at all... he took his own life, deliberately, seems like something to be happy about, since he got what he wanted, right?

Jack Rose... his death is actually quite tragic. He just bought a house, he just got signed to Drag City, he had been working hard, driving by himself from show to show for years for little or no money, there is no comparison between him and spoiled rock star millionaire "oh-woe-is-me" Kurt.

And I love a lot of Nirvana songs, so I'm not anti-Cobain or anti-Nirvana, and I do think it's okay to make fun of dead people, but I just felt this was a little soon,and a little disrespectful since it is so soon... Also, I'm pretty sure Jack Rose never had a single song with acoustic guitar wankery. His playing was extremely skilled, and his songs were extremely composed.

...Rob just made a really stupid comment. I'm not going to say I never have made any myself, because I do regret a few things I said on here... but I don't think it's hypocritical or anything for me to say that I feel more sad over Jack Rose's death than Kurt Cobain's.

as cold as it sounds, i kinda agree. suicide is PATHETIC. a guy i graduated a couple years ahead and dated his sister just hanged himself the day after he got dumped. its sad, especially for the family, but then people were starting to equate the tragedy with the death of my friend who died after a three year battle with a brain tumor, someone who fought every inch for their life is not in the same realm as giving it up. so fucking stupid, not exactly a decision you can take back. life is so rare, the idea of cutting it short for anything seems absurd, espeially in some cases when it really just seems like the person couldnt handle their shit.

[Rob Instigator]

i think, like all things, the "patheticness" of the suicide is wholly dependent upon the situation, and where you are seeing it from.

It is, I feel, an inalienable human right to end one's life as one sees fit, when one sees fit.

There are, as Kurt Vonnegut has written about, many many fates worse than death.

one person will never ever know what another is truly going through inside, and therefore should reserve judgement of the choice to kill themselves.

It is after all THEIR life and no one elses.

[Derek]

No one should need to revert to suicide though. If someone's life is that bad then they must change their life to how they want it to be even if this would be a feat for some (like Cobain, who's heroin habit would probably be hard to kick... but people have given it up in the past and people will give it up in the future you hear?).

There is always shit in our life and it's our job to face them head on and delete them. Get a divorce, buy a puppy, whatever. Though on the other hand, I do agree that people have the right to end their lives but I only think suicide is an option if someone has reached rock bottom with no way of escaping.

[Rob Instigator]

but who are we to judge what another person's "rock bottom" is?
we cannot do that.
No one ever knows.

Let's list the best songs about suicide!

Metallica - Fade To Black

Jimi Hendrix Experience - I Don't Live Today

Mudhoney - By Her Own Hand

Hot Chocolate/Sisters of Mercy/Urge Overkill - Emma/Emmaline