What do you hope to get out the Daydream Nation shows? - Page 3

Washing Machine · 03.21.2007, 01:12 PM

Im going to 'Atrium - Cardiff School of Creative and Cultural Industries' its a new art school thing Glamorgan University are opening in Cardiff. Its opening in September, I'm gonna be in the first year to ever go there. Its gonna be so cool. I'm doing a Music degree

03.21.2007, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by scottheron

Surely all they're doing is taking part in a groundbreaking event run by ATP, who they've always supported?
What about all the other bands who've taken part in the Don't Look Back series - Dinosaur Jr, Low, Tortoise, Gang Of Four, Mudhoney, Stooges - are they all sell-outs too? Or are they just taking part in a unique series of shows?
And as the London shows sold out so quickly, people obviously want to see DN live, so playing it elsewhere makes sense more than playing a standard tour... doesn't it?

I think that if you would read some of the posts on here a bit more attentively, you'd find that the silly and obnoxiously indie term 'sell out' hasn't been used by anyone.

Rob Instigator · 03.21.2007, 01:24 PM

sarramkrop
you SELLOUT! using the blessed sweet-pussied virgin to gussy up yr avatar image! You don't even want any of that furpie action!

You know how hard Joseph slammed that tight god-virgin 'gina of Mary's after Jeebus was born? man. he had to pay taxes to Nero for that shit!

scottheron · 03.21.2007, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by sarramkrop

I think that if you would read some of the posts on here a bit more attentively, you'd find that the silly and obnoxiously indie term 'sell out' hasn't been used by anyone.

my apologies then, was just a turn of phrase... i was referring to the people who are arguing the band are playing the shows either for money or cos they've strayed into some artistic cul-de-sac...

nicfit · 03.21.2007, 01:28 PM

are you the same scottheron that was on the "old board"?

scottheron · 03.21.2007, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by nicfit

are you the same scottheron that was on the "old board"?

umm... i don't think so - as you can see, i'm a pretty infrequent poster, more of an anonymous browser generally...
was he a nice guy?

03.21.2007, 01:32 PM

No worries, it's all opinions. Personally it feels like a cul-de-sac for me, but the good thing about it is that the younger people who got to know the band later in their carrer get to hear them playing what still remains a great record. I'd rather if they just put out a great Sonic Youth record and toured that, but that's opinions and we all have them. As for making money out of it, why should they be denied making money out of their talent? I'll never understand this risible idea of artistic purity that comes from not making money out of your talent when everything costs money in this society. If the music is good, i'll shell out, if it's not, i won't.

Washing Machine · 03.21.2007, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by sarramkrop

I think that if you would read some of the posts on here a bit more attentively, you'd find that the silly and obnoxiously indie term 'sell out' hasn't been used by anyone.

'Sell Out' isn't really an indie term - Metalheads use it even more

Anyway I have always been convinced that people who use that term should be burned at the stake...its the least most helpfull/insightful/productive term ever uttered in relation to music. It inhibits any degree of intellegent discourse.

nicfit · 03.21.2007, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by scottheron

umm... i don't think so - as you can see, i'm a pretty infrequent poster, more of an anonymous browser generally...
was he a nice guy?

Actually, I'm not even sure there was a scottheron on the old board

, I vaguely remember a similar username, but maybe I'm just making this all up in my mind...

scottheron · 03.21.2007, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Washing Machine

Anyway I have always been convinced that people who use that term should be burned at the stake...

Hm, wish I'd looked over my post before submitting now...

My point was just that I think the Don't Look Back series of gigs are a nice idea, and give fans like us a unique experience. For all we know, the band may be doing it for money or lack of better ideas, but I think playing DN is a pretty interesting artistic decision in itself...
And I can't wait...

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Originally Posted by sarramkrop

What is wrong with them using their talent to also make money?

And I totally agree

scottheron · 03.21.2007, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by nicfit

Actually, I'm not even sure there was a scottheron on the old board

Thinking about it, I don't think it was me, as I haven't been using this username for too long...
I needed a name, was listening to Gil Scott-Heron at the time... problem solved

Washing Machine · 03.21.2007, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by scottheron

Hm, wish I'd looked over my post before submitting now...

My point was just that I think the Don't Look Back series of gigs are a nice idea, and give fans like us a unique experience. For all we know, the band may be doing it for money or lack of better ideas, but I think playing DN is a pretty interesting artistic decision in itself...
And I can't wait...

Haha don't worry it wasn't directed at you. You used the term in relation to how idiots speak in order to highlight an intelligent point. I always use ' ' though....it pisses people off because it always looks so condesending, 'Sellout' hehe....I don't mean it to look that way, it just usefull for deflecting any responsability.

03.21.2007, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Washing Machine

'Sell Out' isn't really an indie term - Metalheads use it even more

The term was also used in the sixties and before then.

Rob Instigator · 03.21.2007, 01:53 PM

the only real sell out of the past 5 years is LIZ PHAIR anyways.

Washing Machine · 03.21.2007, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by sarramkrop

The term was also used in the sixties and before.

Haha heres a new thread idea: 'The History of the Word SELLOUT'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selling_out

03.21.2007, 02:11 PM

That was an interesting read, ta.

Washing Machine · 03.21.2007, 02:19 PM

Haha I know I can't believe I took time out of my life to read it...
I'm such a Geek!

Is there anything Wikipedia doesn't have something on...

'Tossing the Salad' - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anal-oral_contact
'Cunt' - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cunt
'Taking a Dump' - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Take_a_dump

....Unbelievable haha

tramp-arse · 03.21.2007, 02:25 PM

In reply to the main post:

Jesus fuck. Why invest so much time into thinking abooouuuttt soooo littttllllleeee? Go and see Sonic Youth and stop worrying about absolutely nothing my friend!

As the Super Furry Animals may say....'at least its not the end of the world....'

GET A GRIP.

raging_nelly · 03.21.2007, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by sonicl

If SY want to ROCK, why don't they make a new ROCK album?

Sonic Youth will always be better than you

Toilet & Bowels · 03.21.2007, 06:45 PM

while i don't care one iota about the apparent "ethical" issues regarding whether they should play these songs, i decided not to buy a ticket because it would break my heart to see songs like cross the breeze, the sprawl, rain king, etc butchered, and i reckon they probably will be butchered.

03.21.2007, 01:12 PM	#41
Washing Machine expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Cardiff, Spiderland Posts: 1,465	Im going to 'Atrium - Cardiff School of Creative and Cultural Industries' its a new art school thing Glamorgan University are opening in Cardiff. Its opening in September, I'm gonna be in the first year to ever go there. Its gonna be so cool. I'm doing a Music degree __________________ ....Of Course its some kinda cosmic payback for being too ironic!
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03.21.2007, 01:24 PM	#43
Rob Instigator invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the land of the Instigator Posts: 27,976	sarramkrop you SELLOUT! using the blessed sweet-pussied virgin to gussy up yr avatar image! You don't even want any of that furpie action! You know how hard Joseph slammed that tight god-virgin 'gina of Mary's after Jeebus was born? man. he had to pay taxes to Nero for that shit! __________________ RXTT's Intellectual Journey - my new blog where I talk about all the books I read.
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03.21.2007, 01:28 PM	#45
nicfit invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: banana boat Posts: 15,570	are you the same scottheron that was on the "old board"? __________________ 11:11 11-11-11 I Ascended.
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03.21.2007, 01:32 PM	#47
sarramkrop Posts: n/a	No worries, it's all opinions. Personally it feels like a cul-de-sac for me, but the good thing about it is that the younger people who got to know the band later in their carrer get to hear them playing what still remains a great record. I'd rather if they just put out a great Sonic Youth record and toured that, but that's opinions and we all have them. As for making money out of it, why should they be denied making money out of their talent? I'll never understand this risible idea of artistic purity that comes from not making money out of your talent when everything costs money in this society. If the music is good, i'll shell out, if it's not, i won't.
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03.21.2007, 01:53 PM	#54
Rob Instigator invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the land of the Instigator Posts: 27,976	the only real sell out of the past 5 years is LIZ PHAIR anyways. __________________ RXTT's Intellectual Journey - my new blog where I talk about all the books I read.
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03.21.2007, 02:11 PM	#56
sarramkrop Posts: n/a	That was an interesting read, ta.
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03.21.2007, 02:19 PM	#57
Washing Machine expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Cardiff, Spiderland Posts: 1,465	Haha I know I can't believe I took time out of my life to read it... I'm such a Geek! Is there anything Wikipedia doesn't have something on... 'Tossing the Salad' - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anal-oral_contact 'Cunt' - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cunt 'Taking a Dump' - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Take_a_dump ....Unbelievable haha __________________ ....Of Course its some kinda cosmic payback for being too ironic!
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03.21.2007, 02:25 PM	#58
tramp-arse little trouble girl Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 44	In reply to the main post: Jesus fuck. Why invest so much time into thinking abooouuuttt soooo littttllllleeee? Go and see Sonic Youth and stop worrying about absolutely nothing my friend! As the Super Furry Animals may say....'at least its not the end of the world....' GET A GRIP.
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03.21.2007, 06:45 PM	#60
Toilet & Bowels invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern Europe Posts: 12,273	while i don't care one iota about the apparent "ethical" issues regarding whether they should play these songs, i decided not to buy a ticket because it would break my heart to see songs like cross the breeze, the sprawl, rain king, etc butchered, and i reckon they probably will be butchered.
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