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Originally Posted by sobriquet

I don't care for damsels or distress.
Women just enjoy labels.I think that's the problem. Why do they have to be 'independent women'. Why not just be a 'woman' and get on with it. You never hear anyone saying do you like 'independent men'? It's all rather pathetic. I suppose it's all a part of a dress up mentality,left over from a girls childhood, or something.

I suppose I agree with that, although I'm not sure they necessarily enjoy labels; as pbradley alluded to, it's sort of a gender-assigned mentality that has persevered through generations. I hate the women that take pride in their independence - isn't that a contradiction? If you're trying to shed gender-related roles and negative stereotypes, independence is nothing to be proud of, it's simply part of your character.

I suppose I'm biased in all of this, because I generally don't get along well with those of the female persuasion.

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I don't know because I am not one.

[pbradley]

Originally Posted by sobriquet

When you treat a woman like a woman (traditionally speaking) they complain. When you don't, they complain. The common denominator is?

Hope they're intelligent enough to transcend such petty concerns and realize that social programing is social programing without escape, even with themselves.

[Toilet & Bowels]

i want a woman i can depend on but who doesn't depend on me, is that asking too much?

[sobriquet]

Originally Posted by truncated

I suppose I agree with that, although I'm not sure they necessarily enjoy labels; as pbradley alluded to, it's sort of a gender-assigned mentality that has persevered through generations. .

You trying to say women can't think for themselves? lol

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Originally Posted by sobriquet

You trying to say women can't think for themselves? lol

I know quite a few who would be better off not to!

[nomowish]

So long as she ain't too independent for a shag

[gmku]

Originally Posted by nicfit

you mean, like Juno?

Ha, ha. Nice...

[gmku]

I likes my womens strong-headed and strong-smellin'. So long's they remembers they place is in the House or Senate.

[Anngella]

House or Senate**

[jon boy]

what exactly is an independant woman?

in answer to the question, i dont really care.

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Originally Posted by truncated

I think it's more complicated than the radio show made it sound, though. There are independent women, and then there are the fiercely 'feminist' women that are rather aggressive about their self-sufficiency, and use it as a form of currency. Those women annoy me, frankly. I think independence/individuality speaks for itself, through actions and attitude, and doesn't need to be asserted to gain something or create a certain persona.

In short, I dig independence, but aggressive feminists are irritating cunts.

You are fucking right.

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Originally Posted by truncated

But in all seriousness, is there some elemental part of you that enjoys rescuing proverbial damsels in distress? Some aspect of your being, however tiny or suppressed, that wants to feel needed? The radio show folk unanimously agreed that everyone wants to feel needed to a degree, and I suspect there may be some truth to that, regardless of gender.

Excepting me, of course. I am far too lazy and narcissistic to take responsibility for others.

Yes Where is the limit between being caring (I've been told that I am) and manipulative ? I do think that in a couple there's always at some point some sort of manipulation (or interested behaviour to be less harsh) even if both people really love each other. EDIT: I mean this can be unconscious off course.

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I guess wanting to feel needed is linked to finding a meaning to our existence.

[Inhuman]

Interestingly enough, I was discussing this yesterday. Independancy is definitely an attractive quality. To have a sense of self and not base all their decisions on what I feel like doing is a plus.

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Are you sure, girls can now wear strap-ons you know.

[SpectralJulianIsNotDead]

Independence is sexy. (Savage Clone response: Julian wants a woman who can take care of him.)

I do enjoy being gentlemanly and get a little irked at the "don't open that door for me" attitude. That's just called being nice.

But anyways, dependant people are annoying. I don't like having to worry about people.

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Sounds like a plan. I'm all for bisexuality.

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Originally Posted by SpectralJulianIsNotDead

But anyways, dependant people are annoying. I don't like having to worry about people.

Ok, but don't you think that's cold ?

If people only cared about themselves we might as well live in caves. I mean some interaction is needed from time to time, man is a social animal.

Yes. I grew up in an enviroment that was strongly matriarchal and where pretty much all the women are in charge.

Most women that I have noticed are truly independent never or seldom go on about it. That to me is what I find attractive about them to start with.