The Mighty Football Thread - Page 300

SuchFriendsAreDangerous · 11.15.2014, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by demonrail666

Yes and no. I think Klinsmann's a self-serving snob BUT the gulf in quality is greater than yougive credit. Klinsmann's problem is that it's ok sending US talent to Europe but a lot of them hardly play. Most are on the bench. Not all but most. Is it better being a bench warmer in the Prem or the Bundesliga or La Liga or actually getting guaranteed game time in the MLS? That's the $1m question.

Anyway, good win for England tonight. Made hard work of it to begin with but no complaints in the end.

I agree and why I believe Americans are better off playing in MLS than riding the bench in Europe. However it is agreed that the best US talent should go to Europe the way the best international bball players inevitably play in the NBA..

demonrail666 · 11.15.2014, 08:20 PM

I'm not American so none of this matters to me, obviously, but the sooner the US sees through Klinsmann the better. You should sack him and appoint Caleb Porter asap. The only person benefiting from the current situation is Klinsmann himself. He plays on America's inferiority complex and over-inflated view of the European game to increase his power while not actually making any real improvement since the Bradley era in terms of results or style of play.

Sorry, I really just can't stand Klinsmann

SuchFriendsAreDangerous · 11.15.2014, 08:36 PM

In his first years I would disagree with you but after the WC I think you may be right. Our style pf play hasn't radically improved after the
2013 Gold Cup and if anything we've seen a regression.. but jurgen has brought and increased focus on the youth leagues and farm system so perhaps behind the scenes there is more improvement

demonrail666 · 11.15.2014, 09:14 PM

Whatever happens domestically, or even with the national team, America still seems more interested in the European leagues so it makes sense they'll look to a European to turn things around. Saying that I don't think the problem is that Klinsmann's not American, or that he's European, I just think he's a politician first and foremost, whose primary objective is power. Porter might be a solution, but it could equally be someone else, from Europe or wherever. Someone like Glenn Hoddle would be a fantastic replacement IMO. Much maligned when he was managing England but a real long term thinker with a genuine (and innovative) interest in developing things at a grass roots level.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous · 11.16.2014, 03:08 PM

Hold up, if Klinsypoo was a politician he wouldnt have nixed landycakes so there is that. He is definitely power hungry but considering the disorganized state of the huge US maybe that is a good thing. US potential talent pool is as large as all of the Euro leagues,combined but there no coherent system to put it all together. If jurgen wants to be an American Soccer Czar maybe that is what we need to capitalize on our potential? We have a large supply of raw talent and plenty of money to spend

!@#$%! · 11.16.2014, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

US potential talent pool is as large as all of the Euro leagues,combined but there no coherent system to put it all together.

PRECISELY

also lacking is the work ethic necessary to play at the higher levels because (unlike baseball, american football, basketball) is not seen by the poor as a path to riches. soccer is currently a kind of slacker sport that slackers play. i have no problem with that (games should be fun) as long as there is a professional top level as obsessed with their fitness and performance as bruce lee was.

and this is where things also count: while americans might be bench warmers in europe, the training, the nutrition, and the medical care they get is the same as the starters. whether they actually get to play or not, they are fit to play every 4 days for 10 or 11 months of the year. that's where the mls is way behind. and many bench warmers get loaned out anyway and can play regularly (e.g. julian green was loaned out from bayern to hamburg).

OCTAGON, BITCHES

ha ha ha. sorry, i'm a little buzzed.

demonrail666 · 11.16.2014, 06:00 PM

Interesting blog post looking at the same problem from a slightly different perspective ...

The trademarked motto of the American Youth Soccer Organization is, “Everyone Plays.” As comforting and class blind as this sounds, and as somewhat true as it is for the most basic youth leagues in the country, it’s an empty slogan if your aim (or, let’s be realistic, the aim for your kid) is to develop into the kind of player that might one day interest professional clubs and national youth teams. Because if that’s your aim, you need to get out of AYSO and start paying a lot to play a lot.

Consider the following: Seven of the 23 squad members for the 2014 World Cup USMNT are graduates of IMG Academy.* This is not an academy in the sense of European pro club academies, which do not charge a fee for your child’s enrolment and usually pay for equipment. No, if you want your kid at IMG, you’ll need to fork over $70,000 annually. Your child would be very lucky indeed if he ever made that kind of money playing annually in the MLS.

Even for those in the squad who didn’t go to IMG, a significant time and monetary investment was required. DeAndre Yedlin, for example, one of the most promising of young players to emerge in the US in the last few years, was groomed in Seattle’s prestigious Emerald City FC, Northwest Nationals, and Crossfire Premier programs, each of which charge annual fees of over $2000, with uniform fees and significant travel expenses added on top of that. If IMG is near the top end in terms of cost, the types of programs Yedlin attended are near the lower end. $2000+ (or $50,000+) annually may not seem like a lot of money to some, but it really is if you’re struggling to make ends meet, and, say, if you can’t get out of your evening shifts to drive your kid to four or five different training and match events every week.

If that’s you, and you still value sport, and you think your kid has talent, you’re not thinking US soccer.

Look down the line at past and current American soccer stars, and you’ll discover backgrounds dotted with private schools, expensive soccer programs, well-educated families, and suburban bliss. Look down the line at past and current stars playing for almost any other nation (and at the world’s best clubs), and you’ll find the opposite narrative.

I realize I’m generalizing here, and there are exceptions. But even some of the more marked exceptions highlight the situation I’m describing. Clint Dempsey grew up in a trailer park, but was undoubtedly talented from a very young age. Yet, the only reason he was able to enroll for the elite Dallas Texans youth system is through benefactors with means. Not all kids are as fortunate.

demonrail666 · 11.19.2014, 03:59 AM

http://www.theguardian.com/football/...anti-ira-songs

This will hopefully mean the end of that bloody awful band that follows England around, not because they played an anti-IRA tune but because they're so bloody annoying and embarrassing.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous · 11.19.2014, 11:55 AM

US got shellacked as if steve albini was playing.. 2014 has been a shit year for Klinsypoo

!@#$%! · 11.19.2014, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

US got shellacked as if steve albini was playing.. 2014 has been a shit year for Klinsypoo

oh i totally forgot to watch that game. i should read some reviews.

can't agree that 2014 was shit for him considering the world cup campaign

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Originally Posted by demonrail666

"gland band"?!?! (the one on the right)

damn!

h8kurdt · 11.19.2014, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by demonrail666

http://www.theguardian.com/football/...anti-ira-songs

This will hopefully mean the end of that bloody awful band that follows England around, not because they played an anti-IRA tune but because they're so bloody annoying and embarrassing.

Dickheads aside.

Great game last night. God knows how Downing buggered up his chance to impress, but bugger it up he did. Wilshire however? ZOOOMM. He's doing great atm. Let's hope he keeps in the England squad and not Arsenal.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous · 11.19.2014, 03:08 PM

WC totally didnt go to plan. The team did.not play in its new style, really it was a chaotic accident, but NONE of the strategies and styles which Jurgen had been implementing since 2011 which peaked in 2013 Gold Cup and WC Qualifiers were sen in the WC. It was like watching a different team entirely, and now since WC its been just as ugly, almost as if 2011-13 ever happened!

demonrail666 · 11.19.2014, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by h8kurdt

Dickheads aside.

Great game last night. God knows how Downing buggered up his chance to impress, but bugger it up he did. Wilshire however? ZOOOMM. He's doing great atm. Let's hope he keeps in the England squad and not Arsenal.

Yeah, Wilshire's been great in that deeper role. The pass for the Ox was world class.

Downing was played out of position and carrying a slight knock. Not making excuses for him but I'm not sure he should've played, full stop, and certainly not where he did.

Big problem for Hodgson when Sturridge is fit. Welbeck's been great this past few games and must deserve to keep his place.

Listened to a phone in last night, afterwards. Unbelievable that after a 6 game unbeaten run there are still people who want Hodgson out, and criticising Rooney. Hodgson has put a foot wrong since the WC (and I'm not sure, taking each game individually, he did much wrong there, either). And Rooney's been great since becoming captain. I sometimes wonder exactly what the average England fan expects. They talk as though we're just a new manager and captain away from suddenly being Brazil circa 1970.

demonrail666 · 11.20.2014, 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

WC totally didnt go to plan. The team did.not play in its new style, really it was a chaotic accident, but NONE of the strategies and styles which Jurgen had been implementing since 2011 which peaked in 2013 Gold Cup and WC Qualifiers were sen in the WC. It was like watching a different team entirely, and now since WC its been just as ugly, almost as if 2011-13 ever happened!

Much as I hate to agree with Klinsmann, there's probably some truth to him saying the team as a whole needs to get nastier. I've always seen USA as playing with a lot of heart but being perhaps a bit too nice for their own good. Saw the highlights and Ireland weren't afraid to put in some pretty brutal tackles, whereas USA never seem to want to go down that route. Beckerman can do it but the team as a whole always feels a bit too gentlemanly for its own good. Rather than trawling the German leagues for your re-nationalised talent, you could perhaps start looking to places like El Salvador instead. You mention ugly, but perhaps now they should start thinking about getting really ugly. You probably don't even need to go abroad. There must be some MS18 members in the US, capable of kicking a ball.

USMNT v2 reveals new squad....

SuchFriendsAreDangerous · 11.20.2014, 09:28 PM

Those dudes play for Chivas LA too?

demonrail666 · 11.21.2014, 05:06 AM

I get the feeling they'd play for whoever they wanted to. Mourinho probably has his eye on a couple of them, to fill the 'Pepe role' at Chelsea.

!@#$%! · 11.22.2014, 11:31 AM

another heartbreaking result for dortmund who after a halftime advantage of 2-0 over recently promoted padernborn goes back home with a 2-2 score and an injured (again! motherfucker!) reus. the fucker who injured reus needs to be crucified.

all was going well for dortmund until kagawa got subbed out for grosskreutz, as always. why this is i'll never know. more than that i'm wondering what will become of reus who was carted out in a stretcher (kicked viciously on teh same ankle that kept him out of the world cup and kept him out of games earlier in the season). i don't know if he'll be able to play arsenal on wednesday.

h8kurdt · 11.22.2014, 12:13 PM

Eesh what's going on with that team!

Well demonrail, let's just say I'm glad there's no such thing as offside. Osman though *bows* love that guy.

h8kurdt · 11.22.2014, 02:45 PM

Just watched the United/Arsenal game. Well the result certainly doesn't justify how much Arsenal had the game to be honest. But hey, that's the great thing about football. A team gets two goals and still have to have a shot on target (yes you read that right) till the end of the game.

h8kurdt · 11.22.2014, 02:46 PM

Oh and Ronaldo is now on 20 goals in 11 games. Dude is bloody machine.

11.15.2014, 08:20 PM	#5982
demonrail666 invito al cielo Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 18,510	I'm not American so none of this matters to me, obviously, but the sooner the US sees through Klinsmann the better. You should sack him and appoint Caleb Porter asap. The only person benefiting from the current situation is Klinsmann himself. He plays on America's inferiority complex and over-inflated view of the European game to increase his power while not actually making any real improvement since the Bradley era in terms of results or style of play. Sorry, I really just can't stand Klinsmann
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11.15.2014, 08:36 PM	#5983
SuchFriendsAreDangerous invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: fucking Los Angeles Posts: 14,801	In his first years I would disagree with you but after the WC I think you may be right. Our style pf play hasn't radically improved after the 2013 Gold Cup and if anything we've seen a regression.. but jurgen has brought and increased focus on the youth leagues and farm system so perhaps behind the scenes there is more improvement __________________ Today Rap music is the Lakers
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11.15.2014, 09:14 PM	#5984
demonrail666 invito al cielo Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 18,510	Whatever happens domestically, or even with the national team, America still seems more interested in the European leagues so it makes sense they'll look to a European to turn things around. Saying that I don't think the problem is that Klinsmann's not American, or that he's European, I just think he's a politician first and foremost, whose primary objective is power. Porter might be a solution, but it could equally be someone else, from Europe or wherever. Someone like Glenn Hoddle would be a fantastic replacement IMO. Much maligned when he was managing England but a real long term thinker with a genuine (and innovative) interest in developing things at a grass roots level.
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11.16.2014, 03:08 PM	#5985
SuchFriendsAreDangerous invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: fucking Los Angeles Posts: 14,801	Hold up, if Klinsypoo was a politician he wouldnt have nixed landycakes so there is that. He is definitely power hungry but considering the disorganized state of the huge US maybe that is a good thing. US potential talent pool is as large as all of the Euro leagues,combined but there no coherent system to put it all together. If jurgen wants to be an American Soccer Czar maybe that is what we need to capitalize on our potential? We have a large supply of raw talent and plenty of money to spend __________________ Today Rap music is the Lakers
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11.16.2014, 06:00 PM	#5987
demonrail666 invito al cielo Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 18,510	Interesting blog post looking at the same problem from a slightly different perspective ... The trademarked motto of the American Youth Soccer Organization is, “Everyone Plays.” As comforting and class blind as this sounds, and as somewhat true as it is for the most basic youth leagues in the country, it’s an empty slogan if your aim (or, let’s be realistic, the aim for your kid) is to develop into the kind of player that might one day interest professional clubs and national youth teams. Because if that’s your aim, you need to get out of AYSO and start paying a lot to play a lot. Consider the following: Seven of the 23 squad members for the 2014 World Cup USMNT are graduates of IMG Academy.* This is not an academy in the sense of European pro club academies, which do not charge a fee for your child’s enrolment and usually pay for equipment. No, if you want your kid at IMG, you’ll need to fork over $70,000 annually. Your child would be very lucky indeed if he ever made that kind of money playing annually in the MLS. Even for those in the squad who didn’t go to IMG, a significant time and monetary investment was required. DeAndre Yedlin, for example, one of the most promising of young players to emerge in the US in the last few years, was groomed in Seattle’s prestigious Emerald City FC, Northwest Nationals, and Crossfire Premier programs, each of which charge annual fees of over $2000, with uniform fees and significant travel expenses added on top of that. If IMG is near the top end in terms of cost, the types of programs Yedlin attended are near the lower end. $2000+ (or $50,000+) annually may not seem like a lot of money to some, but it really is if you’re struggling to make ends meet, and, say, if you can’t get out of your evening shifts to drive your kid to four or five different training and match events every week. If that’s you, and you still value sport, and you think your kid has talent, you’re not thinking US soccer. Look down the line at past and current American soccer stars, and you’ll discover backgrounds dotted with private schools, expensive soccer programs, well-educated families, and suburban bliss. Look down the line at past and current stars playing for almost any other nation (and at the world’s best clubs), and you’ll find the opposite narrative. I realize I’m generalizing here, and there are exceptions. But even some of the more marked exceptions highlight the situation I’m describing. Clint Dempsey grew up in a trailer park, but was undoubtedly talented from a very young age. Yet, the only reason he was able to enroll for the elite Dallas Texans youth system is through benefactors with means. Not all kids are as fortunate.
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11.19.2014, 03:59 AM	#5988
demonrail666 invito al cielo Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 18,510	http://www.theguardian.com/football/...anti-ira-songs This will hopefully mean the end of that bloody awful band that follows England around, not because they played an anti-IRA tune but because they're so bloody annoying and embarrassing.
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11.19.2014, 11:55 AM	#5989
SuchFriendsAreDangerous invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: fucking Los Angeles Posts: 14,801	US got shellacked as if steve albini was playing.. 2014 has been a shit year for Klinsypoo __________________ Today Rap music is the Lakers
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11.19.2014, 03:08 PM	#5992
SuchFriendsAreDangerous invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: fucking Los Angeles Posts: 14,801	WC totally didnt go to plan. The team did.not play in its new style, really it was a chaotic accident, but NONE of the strategies and styles which Jurgen had been implementing since 2011 which peaked in 2013 Gold Cup and WC Qualifiers were sen in the WC. It was like watching a different team entirely, and now since WC its been just as ugly, almost as if 2011-13 ever happened! __________________ Today Rap music is the Lakers
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11.20.2014, 09:28 PM	#5995
SuchFriendsAreDangerous invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: fucking Los Angeles Posts: 14,801	Those dudes play for Chivas LA too? __________________ Today Rap music is the Lakers
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11.21.2014, 05:06 AM	#5996
demonrail666 invito al cielo Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 18,510	I get the feeling they'd play for whoever they wanted to. Mourinho probably has his eye on a couple of them, to fill the 'Pepe role' at Chelsea.
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11.22.2014, 11:31 AM	#5997
!@#$%! invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: mars attacks Posts: 42,548	another heartbreaking result for dortmund who after a halftime advantage of 2-0 over recently promoted padernborn goes back home with a 2-2 score and an injured (again! motherfucker!) reus. the fucker who injured reus needs to be crucified. all was going well for dortmund until kagawa got subbed out for grosskreutz, as always. why this is i'll never know. more than that i'm wondering what will become of reus who was carted out in a stretcher (kicked viciously on teh same ankle that kept him out of the world cup and kept him out of games earlier in the season). i don't know if he'll be able to play arsenal on wednesday.
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11.22.2014, 12:13 PM	#5998
h8kurdt invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In Mulder's Basement room Posts: 5,459	Eesh what's going on with that team! Well demonrail, let's just say I'm glad there's no such thing as offside. Osman though bows love that guy. __________________ Down with this sort of thing.
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11.22.2014, 02:45 PM	#5999
h8kurdt invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In Mulder's Basement room Posts: 5,459	Just watched the United/Arsenal game. Well the result certainly doesn't justify how much Arsenal had the game to be honest. But hey, that's the great thing about football. A team gets two goals and still have to have a shot on target (yes you read that right) till the end of the game. __________________ Down with this sort of thing.
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11.22.2014, 02:46 PM	#6000
h8kurdt invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In Mulder's Basement room Posts: 5,459	Oh and Ronaldo is now on 20 goals in 11 games. Dude is bloody machine. __________________ Down with this sort of thing.
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