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As a matter of fact, how about this article from November 23: Trump aides Bannon, Miller advising the Bolsonaros on next steps
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Does the GOP learn anything from 3 election losses in a row that are mainly due to Trump? I mean, Gaetz keeps saying Trumpy 2016 things, Greene keeps bragging about "my president" calling her, and McCarthy thanks Trump for his support. Now the House will do Trump's bidding with investigations into Bidens and Jan 6th.
I mean.....shouldn't they move on? Can't they?
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Well, when they're so used to living in the past...
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Goddammit, the new Republican majority has its own Benghazi/Mar-a-Lago now. Just what we needed...
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but in the meantime i don't see biden or the democrats attempting to obstruct justice or tweeting fucked up lunacies like these: https://gizmodo.com/9-unhinged-tweet...go-1849388563/ |
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Of course it's not the same thing. But people are stupid, and it's easy to bothsides the issue and sell the resulting bullshit to stupid people. "But her emails", remember?
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and the stupids will always be there to eat it up, like for pizzagate or the tall tale of the stolen election or other innumerable conspiracy theories and nonsense. the real events are still a concern for rational people though. i mean, beyond what the deplorables may or may not do here, other things exist independent of them, and also matter--to rational people anyway. the same rational people who got tired of trump and voted him out of office can actually tell apples from oranges. the stupids can only go one way, and ultimately won't change anything because they themselves won't change. they just are. there. and stupid. forever. so if you just write them off and calculate from that point forward, you can notice the actual relevance of various effects. -- eta, in other words, "the decider" is "the suburban voter" as they call it. moderately educated, money-minded, professionally employed, practical, square, a driver, a breeder. everyone else is fairly entrenched at this point. |
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Oh Christ.
Of course, the differences between this and Mara Lago is night and day, but none of that fucking matters in US Politics.
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It makes me ill that Biden fucked up with classified docs in light of Trump's complete and utter fuck-up. No amount of contrasting the two cases will do any political good now. Trump's case is absolutely, unequivocably criminal/incompetence/stupidity. But none of that matters now. Biden did it too. Exponential degrees of stupidity will not register. This is perhaps the greatest gift to Trump ever.
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Between the McCarthy shitshow and the Biden docs (oooh, Jim Jordan's gonna "investigate" - now I'm scared
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I'm still rotflmao at Amy, who, not being political at all, went to the McConnell building, and made a speech, with an introduction by....McConnell.
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Off-topic: did you know about this one? https://www.discogs.com/master/79146...-Ali-Blackbird I just found out about it. Man, I don't know anything...
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Oh COME ON.
https://news.google.com/stories/CAAq...S&ceid=US%3Aen Does anybody NOT have classified shit at home?
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Opinion | Yes, everyone has classified documents. The system is out of control. By Fareed Zakaria Columnist What should we think of the fact that Donald Trump, Joe Biden, and now Mike Pence have all turned out to have classified material sitting in their houses? Before I answer that question, let me tell you a few facts. One 2004 essay put the number of classified pages in existence at about 7.5 billion. In 2012, records were classified at a rate of 3 per second, making for an estimated 95 million classifications that year alone. Today, no one knows how frequently information is classified. And as of 2019, more than 4 million people were eligible to access classified information, about one-third for top secret records, the highest general designation. The real scandal is that the U.S. government has a totally out-of-control system of secrets that represents a real danger to the quality of democratic government. Let me acknowledge a political point. It is true that people glossed over these issues when Trump was found to be holding onto classified documents at his Mar-a-Lago home, but have begun to discuss them now that President Biden also appears to be guilty of the same offense. Some of this double standard is political bias. But Trump’s behavior was also a major issue, particularly his refusal to turn over the documents and defiance of direct requests from the Justice Department. That is an important difference, though it doesn’t change the larger point. Given how crazy the classification system is, the wonder is that we don’t find more top secret documents littered throughout the houses of government officials. In 1998, then-Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan (D-N.Y.), who served for years on the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence beginning in 1977, wrote a book titled “Secrecy: The American Experience.” In it, he lamented the rise of the “culture of secrecy” within the U.S. government, which he believed was both bad for foreign policy and dangerous to democracy. On the first point, Moynihan argued that many of the government’s biggest mistakes were a result of its reluctance to share information and subject its analysis to outside criticism. Remember that the intelligence community was largely created to assess one question — the nature of the Soviet threat. It got this wrong. In the late 1950s, for example, it claimed that the Soviet Union was significantly ahead of the United States in missile technology and deployment, a very consequential but totally false assertion. More broadly, it got the state of the Soviet economy in the 1980s dead wrong, claiming it was sturdy when, in fact, it was collapsing. After the Cold War, in the late 1990s, the intelligence community’s central directive was to establish whether Saddam Hussein was trying to develop weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. It got that wrong, as well. Moynihan argued that secrecy had become a form of regulation and bureaucratic control. People in government viewed information as power, didn’t want to share it, and developed elaborate mechanisms to horde it. They covered up mistakes, embarrassments and illegal activities by classifying the problem away. Richard M. Nixon’s solicitor general wrote in 1989 about the publication of the Pentagon Papers, top secret documents about the Vietnam War released while the war was still being waged: “I have never seen any trace of a threat to the national security from the publication. Indeed, I have never seen it even suggested that there was such an actual threat. … It quickly becomes apparent to any person who has considerable experience with classified material that there is massive overclassification and that the principal concern of the classifiers is not with national security, but rather with governmental embarrassment of one sort or another.” Democratic governments demand transparency. Accountability and control are impossible when citizens know so little about what the government is doing — and when it has the power to block access to any of that information. This problem has become much, much worse in the digital era. Timothy Naftali, a New York University scholar and former director of the Nixon Library, told me, “We now have a tsunami of classified documents — tens of thousands of emails, PowerPoints, all kinds of stuff — all stored somewhere in the cloud, but we still have a tiny staff of people at the National Archives for the declassification process.” He estimated that it could take five years for a request to declassify a single document to even make it to the agency that has to decide whether to do so. Another scholar, Matthew Connelly of Columbia University, points out that the U.S. government spends about $18 billion a year on classifying and protecting information and just $100 million on declassification. Most presidents come to office promising to open up government secrets. Yet once they get into office, they prefer the cozy system that keeps their actions hidden from public scrutiny and assessment. What we have now is a vast military-intelligence secrecy complex that just keeps growing — a recipe for bad decision-making and unaccountable government.
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....but only one person gets an FBI raid after continuously refusing to do the right thing.
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Yeah, and I don't think Zakaria is bothsidesing this. It's right there in the third paragraph. The point is that this is also a gigantonormous systemically fucked up problem.
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Right.
I don't understand this. I worked in an environment where classified docs existed. Said docs were tracked very carefully whenever they were moved around. The only way I could have such docs in my house is if I took them, or copied them. Taking them would cause much fanning of shit on the very next regular muster. These people didn't copy them, surely? So, yes, something is seriously fucked within the US Gov for this to happen. (I worked alongside US Military often, and they seem to be even more anal than us Canadians about this stuff.) Anyway - if someone found a SECRET doc in my house tomorrow, I would basically adopt the position. There would be no other option. But what consequences occur for US Gov people?
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